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If Ivy dies.....
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 29, 2018, 01:49:09 PM ---Huh? The Old Ones would logically want her gone, so she has to be more vulnerable to make it happen more easily? I dont follow your logic.
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If the Archive's existence acts as a deterrent to the Old Ones returning, and that existence can be terminated, they would attempt to terminate it. This is the case where the Archive ceases to exist when its bearer dies without a specified heir.
If the Archive's existence acts as a deterrent to the Old Ones returning, but that existence can only be periodically suspended, they would only target it during times critical to their operations. This is the case where the Archive finds a new, indeterminate bearer when its current bearer dies without heir.
I was thinking along the lines of effort put in vs results from their point of view. If they can get rid of the Archive permanently, then the Old Ones would be salivating for a chance at Ivy. If they can only temporarily put the Archive out of commission by killing the host, they wouldn't risk as many resources/personnel unless the timing of the Archive's absence was especially opportune.
Does that make sense? It does in my head, anyway, but considering this post deals with the concept of Mantles yet again, I'm already mentally fatigued. Could be mixing things up.
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on May 29, 2018, 02:12:03 PM ---If the Archive's existence acts as a deterrent to the Old Ones returning, and that existence can be terminated, they would attempt to terminate it. This is the case where the Archive ceases to exist when its bearer dies without a specified heir.
If the Archive's existence acts as a deterrent to the Old Ones returning, but that existence can only be periodically suspended, they would only target it during times critical to their operations. This is the case where the Archive finds a new, indeterminate bearer when its current bearer dies without heir.
I was thinking along the lines of effort put in vs results from their point of view. If they can get rid of the Archive permanently, then the Old Ones would be salivating for a chance at Ivy. If they can only temporarily put the Archive out of commission by killing the host, they wouldn't risk as many resources/personnel unless the timing of the Archive's absence was especially opportune.
Does that make sense? It does in my head, anyway, but considering this post deals with the concept of Mantles yet again, I'm already mentally fatigued. Could be mixing things up.
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Oh, you mean "Why would them wanting the Archive to be destructible make it destructible?" Sorry, got mixed up. That's a guess based on it adding narrative stakes to the situation.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on May 29, 2018, 02:14:37 PM ---Oh, you mean "Why would them wanting the Archive to be destructible make it destructible?" Sorry, got mixed up. That's a guess based on it adding narrative stakes to the situation.
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Ah, kk. Ya that was my confusion, I thought Id missed some new, more direct link between the Archive (or rather it's actual origin) and the Outsiders.
Fwiw, It doesnt look like the Archive is specifically geared toward an anti-Outsider goal (especially given that it primarily targets beings from the NN), and there has been some debate as to whether Outsiders are themselves subject to Oblivion at all (being in theory qualitatively different from the NN creatures that it targets).
groinkick:
some of the reason I think Murphy could be a good replacement are:
More side stories about the Oblivion war with a well established and familiar character.
Romantic relationship with Kincaid (I personally think the ship has sailed on Harry/Murphy).
She becomes more relevant to the books in general.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 29, 2018, 05:26:06 PM ---some of the reason I think Murphy could be a good replacement are:
More side stories about the Oblivion war with a well established and familiar character.
Romantic relationship with Kincaid (I personally think the ship has sailed on Harry/Murphy).
She becomes more relevant to the books in general.
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Um, your reasons are the reasons she shouldn't be.. I need to reread the bit where Luccio warns Harry about humanizing Ivy too much.. Murphy is all too human and tend to see things her own way, that got her into trouble trying to wield and judge with a Holy Sword, which clearly she shouldn't have done... I can see her not agreeing with or feeling morally able to carry out some of the things the Archive must do, that would spell trouble for her..
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