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If Ivy dies.....
Fcrate:
The Archive is less vulnerable every day. She's what? 19 or something now? Now I'm not saying it isn't doable, because a human sniper is still underestimated by the supernatural world. The quote from Small Favor reminded me that Ivy is in charge of the Archive. Maybe the Archive will always act to protect itself, but that is the extent of what it does. And I don't think Ivy can get rid of it, and if she was killed, the Archive will have to get extracted and the cycle restarted by someone who knows exactly how to do it. Who the "Someone" Is, I have no idea, but it must be the descendents of those who thought to guard all human knowledge against catastrophe... Nothing to do with Oblivion War, I think.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on June 05, 2018, 11:50:16 PM ---The Archive is less vulnerable every day. She's what? 19 or something now? Now I'm not saying it isn't doable, because a human sniper is still underestimated by the supernatural world. The quote from Small Favor reminded me that Ivy is in charge of the Archive. Maybe the Archive will always act to protect itself, but that is the extent of what it does. And I don't think Ivy can get rid of it, and if she was killed, the Archive will have to get extracted and the cycle restarted by someone who knows exactly how to do it. Who the "Someone" Is, I have no idea, but it must be the descendents of those who thought to guard all human knowledge against catastrophe... Nothing to do with Oblivion War, I think.
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I agree for the most part, but we don't know at this point how it is transferred. I would like to know the dynamic that went on between Ivy's mom and the Archive before her suicide. Apparently she felt death was the only way to free herself, which she accomplished, so she had free will... If she was able to kill herself at will, perhaps if she went rouge she'd also be capable of using the Archive as Luccio described...
Here is another chilling thought, what if Ivy's mom didn't suicide but was driven to kill herself by the Archive? The Archive decides that it's host isn't suitable so it kills it...
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 05, 2018, 10:08:09 PM --- I disagree
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Well:
--- Quote ---Jim: @FitzMelech Rashid is, by far, the most dangerous of the Senior Council. Which is not the same thing as most powerful. Smiley
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See. Different.
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page 408 Small Favor
No she doesn't spell out the Archive's powers on a one to ten scale if that is what you are looking for? However she makes it pretty clear that the Council is well aware of how powerful the Archive is and how dangerous, plus the dangers of havin
The point is, if Luccio's fears for an out of control Archive comes to pass, someone will have to take it down or the results could be catastrophic for everyone... Ergo, to whom would that take fall? Who has the kind of power needed to do it? Part of the Accords or not, if the Archive became a threat, I am willing to be that Mab would order it's take down, she hates disorder... Plus the Archive is vulnerable, after all Ivy was kidnapped and held prisoner by Nic..
[/quote]Ok. This is not the topic I was discussing at all, but sure I agree that it would have been very bad and somebody would have to step up and fix it. Top guesses on my list would be the Blackstaff, a KotC, or Harry himself as the general Avatar of Chaos.
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 06, 2018, 11:47:12 AM ---Here is another chilling thought, what if Ivy's mom didn't suicide but was driven to kill herself by the Archive? The Archive decides that it's host isn't suitable so it kills it...
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Interesting... I assume you also mean removing that part from it's memory? That'd be difficult to manage, as the Archive would KNOW the failsafe that kills an unsuitable host, and if the Archive knows, Ivy knows.
Quantus:
What's chilling would be if The Archive has that much independent agency at all. I mean, it's one thing to bear a mantle of power, it's a wildly different thing to be the host of an independent entity that might abandon and/or kill you on a whim. That is precisely why the Winter Knight mantle is preferred over a Coin.
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