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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2018, 07:54:15 PM »
What about Harry's wizard senses? No, I don't think she was in the room herself.
And the Renfields with flamethrowers? AP mine? She was serious in setting the trap, but I don't think she stuck around to watch.
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2018, 09:12:40 PM »
He was suppressing her from just killing them with dark sorcery, not from moving fast enough to stay behind Harry. Super-speed is just a physical stat for blamps.

Which was kind of a waste of McCoy's abilities, since assuming the photos were her handiwork (and I agree with you that's the most likely option), she had a perfectly good opportunity to shank Harry, Murph and Kincaid with her choice of sword or firearm, and she didn't take it. The entire visit to Chicago with the failed assassination attempts was just bait to get Harry to come provide her a chance to take the blackmail photos.

Which makes Harry getting angry and declining her offer to discuss his assault on her scourge when they talked at the start of DB instead of actually fishing for some information one of the more irritating cases of him being an incurious protagonist.
You really think magical power has nothing to do with a corpse moving fast?  I'd assume that magical power was all that was animating her.  And if Blamps are weaker during the day (which fits the lore Harry was working with) and she was supressed by McCoy, and she was spending enough power on a veil to avoid Harry's detection, I'd say she didn't have much left to spare.

I agree it was all a setup.  She lured him in with the attack outside Arturo's place. (I think she was also the buyer of the temple dogs, and that going sideways kicked off the rest).  She got what she needed for the future and then waited.

What about Harry's wizard senses? No, I don't think she was in the room herself.
And the Renfields with flamethrowers? AP mine? She was serious in setting the trap, but I don't think she stuck around to watch.
So for the record, what you're proposing is that Harry's wrong about someone being in the room, and she instead counted on tech to work around a wizard coming to raid her place? 

Or are you suggesting that someone even better at veils than someone purportedly great at veils was there to take the photos and then give them to the person great at veils that was supposed to be there? 

And you're suggesting that McCoy, one of the (if not the most) experienced combat wizards showed up to target the power of a specific bad guy, but had no idea if the bad guy was there, or if he was wasting his time? 

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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2018, 01:25:18 AM »
1. So for the record, what you're proposing is that Harry's wrong about someone being in the room, and she instead counted on tech to work around a wizard coming to raid her place? 

2. Or are you suggesting that someone even better at veils than someone purportedly great at veils was there to take the photos and then give them to the person great at veils that was supposed to be there? 

3. And you're suggesting that McCoy, one of the (if not the most) experienced combat wizards showed up to target the power of a specific bad guy, but had no idea if the bad guy was there, or if he was wasting his time? 

 ???
1. The camera worked, didn't it? I'm not saying that he was wrong about someone in the room, but I doubt it was Mavra herself. I didn't catch the different angles thing when I read the book, so I'll concede that much :D
2. I had a bad taste of comparatives, and Vs in my mouth when I read that.
3. I have no idea how blocking a practitioner's magic works exactly. It's at a distance, he has no idea who's there, and presumably no way to sense them from this far. Maybe McCoy just put a firewall on the whole building and added an exception for Dresden.
McCoy isn't supposed to know Mavra, he'd have to touch her to know her magic for sure, and I doubt he'd live to tell the tale.
PS: We're derailing the thread a bit, and it was a good choice to put it in the spoilers section, WereElephant. (Y)
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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2018, 04:12:18 AM »
I would have liked to see Morgan and Kincaid fight. Although given the rules of this post I think that Morgan would probably win. A prepared Kincaid might have a chance. Especially if Morgan underestimated him. I feel like Morgan was used to dealing with fighting magic users and more supernatural threats. I know that Kincaid is technically a supernatural threat but he fights with mostly mortal tactics and weapons. Regardless I think it would be a fun scenario to see played out.

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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2018, 03:53:29 PM »
1. The camera worked, didn't it? I'm not saying that he was wrong about someone in the room, but I doubt it was Mavra herself. I didn't catch the different angles thing when I read the book, so I'll concede that much :D

A film camera is quite simple. It might not even have any electronic components at all if it's an old one, so there's no reason to think tech disruption would preclude taking a photo.

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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2018, 12:48:39 PM »

The two members of the Sidhe Courts stared at each other from across a short distance.

Eldest Fetch, having assumed the form of a Spanish swordsman, narrowed his eyes at the short, stocky Gruff. "You seem a decent fellow.  I hate to kill you."

A bemused smile began to form at the edges of Eldest Gruff's snout. "You seem a decent fellow.  I hate to die."

The form of Eldest Fetch shifted, blurring into the shape of a Scarecrow. "I haven't got a brain.  Only straw."

The beginnings of Gruff's smile bloomed into a full grin. "How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?"

Eldest Fetch's straw neck tilted to one side. "I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?"

Gruff shook his head. "Yes, I guess you're right."

Eldest Fetch's form blurred again, this time into the shape of a pale, regal man in fashionable clothing several centuries late. "Listen to them. Children of the night. What music *they* make."

A puzzled look appeared on Gruff's face, as he considered the appropriate response.  He knew the reference, of course.  Dracula, as if the stiff white collar hadn't been enough to give it away.  But there was no reply in the original movie, save for the howling of the wolves.

A dark and malicious grin spread across Eldest Fetch's face, revealing his vampiric teeth.  It seemed that he'd stumped his counterpart from Summer.  And per the terms of their duel, if the stocky creature couldn't provide the correct response to his quote, he would lose the game.  And with it, his life.

The seconds ticked by, as Summer's eldest servant wondered if this was the end. 

But then Gruff's ears twitched, and he understood.  His smile returned.

Rather than replying with words, his staff rose and fell, striking the alien ground with the sound of a thundering spring storm.

And with it, a column of flame erupted into thin air a few dozen yards away, enveloped the creature that had attempted to sneak up on them as they dueled.  Dracula's creature howled as the flames consumed her.

When her howls finally faded, and her form crumbled to ash, Eldest Fetch gave a respectful bow to Eldest Gruff.  The champion of Summer did the same, and then Winter's champion blurred again, assuming a new form.

And so they continued, until the day ended.

Not quite what I had in mind, but I like it!

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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2018, 01:14:10 PM »
I would have liked to see Morgan and Kincaid fight. Although given the rules of this post I think that Morgan would probably win. A prepared Kincaid might have a chance. Especially if Morgan underestimated him. I feel like Morgan was used to dealing with fighting magic users and more supernatural threats. I know that Kincaid is technically a supernatural threat but he fights with mostly mortal tactics and weapons. Regardless I think it would be a fun scenario to see played out.

The problem with that match up is prep time. No prep time, Morgan takes it. Prep time, Kincaid. Morgan's job is to enforce the laws of magic, which does put him up against many nasties. However, Kincaid's job is to kill people in thorough, clandestine ways. He'd set Morgan up for one of the shots he described to Dresden.

How about these fights.....  Battles of the baddies

Mavra vs Shagnasty
Shagnasty vs Coin powered Genoskwa
Mavra vs Coin powered Genoskwa
Dierdre vs Mavra
Dierdre  vs Shagnasty
Red King vs Coin powered Genoskwa
Red King vs Mavra

Even though we stipulated that the earth facsimile is undergoing a Halloween equivalent, would Shagnasty be able to be killed? I'm not entirely clear on what he is. Skinwalker/Naagloshi, yeah, but to what is that an equivalent in terms of mortality? Immortal? Demigod? Minor god?
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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2018, 01:51:32 PM »
Even though we stipulated that the earth facsimile is undergoing a Halloween equivalent, would Shagnasty be able to be killed? I'm not entirely clear on what he is. Skinwalker/Naagloshi, yeah, but to what is that an equivalent in terms of mortality? Immortal? Demigod? Minor god?
Shagnasty, the specific one we met, was one of the "Real" Skinwalkers (per Bob) and is an actual "Need Halloween or equivalent to Kill permanently" immortal, albeit "one of the Least" of them, by Alfred's reckoning. 
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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 01:57:54 PM »
Shagnasty, the specific one we met, was one of the "Real" Skinwalkers (per Bob) and is an actual "Need Halloween or equivalent to Kill permanently" immortal, albeit "one of the Least" of them, by Alfred's reckoning.

Yeah, Bob was pretty clear that the Halloween conjunction applies to 'all of them' immortals.

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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 02:05:52 PM »
Shagnasty, the specific one we met, was one of the "Real" Skinwalkers (per Bob) and is an actual "Need Halloween or equivalent to Kill permanently" immortal, albeit "one of the Least" of them, by Alfred's reckoning.

Yeah, Bob was pretty clear that the Halloween conjunction applies to 'all of them' immortals.

Thanks for the clarification. Shagnasty vs Coin-powered Genoskwa sounds good. I'd also like to see one of them take on Macfinn. Will start planning...

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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2018, 03:54:38 PM »
Shagnasty
 - Immortal
 - Shapeshifter
 - Immense durability
 - prodigious strength
 - centuries (millenia?) of experience killing and tormenting
 - can deflect magical attacks

Genoskwa/Ursiel
 - Two forms: anthropoid and demon-bear
 - Anthropoid - Very fast
 - Anthropoid - Very strong
 - Anthropoid - Durable
 - Demon-bear - Very durable
 - Demon-bear - Very strong
 - Genoskwa age unknown, Ursiel age prehistoric (literally)

The apparition that brought the two vanishes. Both predators eye each other across the field in the light of the dawn. Shagnasty's golden fur ripples in a slight breeze, his wide mouth twisted into a grin of anticipation.

"Little hunter," says Shagnasty, his voice almost a purr, "You are going to die. I would like to make sport of this," the purr became almost sensual here, "But I must return to my business quickly. Yield, and I will end you swiftly."

"Abomination," spat the Genoskwa. His eyes gleamed with rage, "I am not your prey!"

The Genoskwa began sprinting toward Shagnasty. He crossed distance between them in mere seconds, and threw a massive limb straight toward Shagnasty's grinning visage. Or rather, where Shagnasty's grinning visage used to be. The golden-haired Naagloshi side-stepped the charge, and grabbed the Genoskwa's outstretched limb, flipping him into the air and sending him sailing away. The Genoskwa landed on his feet in a crouch, a look of surprise and malice etched onto his features.

"Pitiful," said the Skinwalker, still grinning. He walked leisurely toward the crouching simian. "Try again."

"Shut your mouth!" growled the Genoskwa.

He lunged forward a second time, preparing a large limb in a punch as before. The Skinwalker dodged, grabbing at the Genoskwa's arm, but this time the Genoskwa evaded the grasp. He pulled his gray-furred arm back from the Skinwalker's reaching fingertups, and struck with his other fist right in between Shagnasty's eyes. The Skinwalker grunted in surprise, but the Genoskwa wasn't done. He followed up with two blows to the golden-furred abdomen, and aimed a kick at the Naagloshi's knee. Shagnasty barely dodged the kick, then shoved the gray-furred form away from him into the grass.

The Skinwalker let out an ear-splitting shriek. His form blurred, becoming a large saber-toothed tiger. The tiger pounced on the Genoskwa, who rolled to the side and jumped back, eyeing the new shape of his opponent.

"Your shape matters not - it will only decide how your corpse looks!" he shouted.

The tiger pounced, crossing the thirty feet between them in a single bound. The Genoskwa dodged its leap, grrabbing for one of its hind limbs. The tiger whirled, enormous front teeth bared, golden eyes gleaming with avarice and bloodlust. The teeth found a mark in the Genoskwa's shoulder. He gasped in pain, jerking the tiger away with a twist of his hips. Blood drenched the gray fur with dark red spots.

The tiger rolled away, blurring once again into the golden haired, nine-foot tall gorilla-esque shape. The grin was even wider now. "I have tasted your blood, Little Hunter. It tastes of fear."

The Genoskwa glowered furiously at the Naagloshi. He could be faster, but the thing was a predator with many a century, or possibly even millenium, beyond his own experience. It had killed thousands, maybe tens of thousands of other predators, some stronger than the Genoskwa, and only become stronger for it. It had seen so many battles that it could probably predict his every move. For a moment, he felt a prickle of fear.

Then a voice in his head, but not his own, said in a smooth rumble. "No, do not let it intimidate you. Lead it on, let it stalk you. Appear to become the prey. When it finally tires of the game, and comes for you in earnest, I will show myself."

So the Genoskwa turned and ran for the woods at the edge of the clearing.

The Skinwalker guffawed. "Little Hunter? Little Prey." He turned into a large hawk, and pursued the Genoskwa.

It went on like that for several hours, through the afternoon, as the Skinwalker tracked the Genoskwa, sometimes closing in for a skirmish. Each time, the Genoskwa evaded probing attempts at his life, sustaining a new flesh wound. Somehow, though, the wounds were not taking a toll on it, and it remained unafraid. That puzzled the Skinwalker, for surely the creature must know it was doomed.

At sunset, the Skinwalker caught up with the Genoskwa. The Naagloshi took on its golden haired form at top of a wooded hill. The Genoskwa stood opposite it, just in front of the entrance to a cave.

"Little Prey," said Shagnasty, "You have run well. I have enjoyed our chase. But now it must end. I will extend my offer one final time, and not again. Yield, and I will end you swiftly."

The Genoskwa bared its teeth. "The stench of your corpse will be an improvement."

The Skinwalker blinked. "Truly? So be it."

The Naagloshi's form blurred again, becoming not one, but two large wolves. They moved to circle the Genoskwa, who retreated into the cave. It was narrow in the cave. The two wolves had enough room to walk abreast into its darkness, but not much more. The scent of the Genoskwa remained strong in their noses. Ordinary creatures might have found the darkness an impediment, but the Skinwalker's senses were keen, beyond what should have been feasible. The Genoskwa should have been blind in the darkness, even with its own keen senses, but somehow it moved on undeterred. Shagnasty wondered how that worked, but the wolves shrugged. He wouldn't have to worry about it much longer.

The wolves emerged into a large cavern. Stalagmites and stalagtites covered the floor and ceiling respectively. The scent of the Genoskwa remained strong. He was somewhere in here.

"Little prey," said Shagnasty, reverting to his golden form. "The darkness is not your friend."

Then a new voice thrummed throughout the cavern.

"Messenger," it crooned, sounding smooth as marble and deep as oceans. "Your time has long since been over."

Shagnasty froze. This was unexpected. Though the voice itself was unfamiliar, its quality, and the aura it gave off, was unmistakable to the Naagloshi.

"You continue to walk this earth, making sport of those weaklings who are unlucky enough to cross your path," the voice of Ursiel continued, echoing off the walls. Its source was unknowable. "Yet their unhappy fates are naught compared to the oblivion that awaits you, Naagloshi."

Shagnasty flinched. No one, and he meant no one, ever dared mention that word aloud to him. For the first time since the fight with the medicine man on that prison-island, he felt a small amount of fear.

The Skinwalker heard a small shuffling across the stone in front of him. With his enhanced vision, he could make out the outline of a hindleg of something large. In an instant, he changed his form to the tiger again, and leaped, sinking his long teeth into the leg in the blink of an eye.

Just as he did so, jaws closed around his spine, cracking it. The lower half of his body went limp. Out of the corner of Shagnasty's eye, he could now see the glowing orange eyes, and the second set of green eyes above them, set adjacent to the glowing demonic sigil of Ursiel.

Shagnasty shrieked, and the sound echoed off the cavern walls. His form blurred, becoming something slimy and octopus like, with tentacles out the wazoo and, most importantly, no backbone. But the demon-bear's teeth still blazed agony into the Naagloshi, and not four, but six enormous paws held Shagnasty in place. The jaws chomped away, burning pain into the Skinwalker's being. His form changed and changed, but the demon-bear held every one in place, and soon the damage done to one form bled through to another. Finally, Shagnasty reverted to his golden furred normal self, golden eyes shining with terror. He wasn't used to that feeling. Not in himself.

Ursiel's voice boomed triumphantly. "Your time is done." The jaws snapped shut one final time around the Naagloshi's throat.

SUMMARY

By himself, the Genoskwa would fail. Shagnasty's predatory expertise and divinity would trounce him. Only by concealing his advantage of the coin and planning a trap that exploits the Skinwalker's predictability let him win this set up.

Thoughts? Comments? Disagreement? How do you think it would go?

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Re: The Dresden Files Death Battle Arena
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2018, 07:35:27 PM »
The only point of disagreement is that I think Magic would make a much more prominent appearance, though I dont know if it would actually tip the scales either way.  One of the mistakes Harry made with Shaggy is to forget that he was also a perfectly capable magical practitioner (he showcased a huge variety of different attacks vs LTW).  Meanwhile the Genoskwa was born to Earth Magic in a way that a Human simply is not, thus presumably in a way that the Fallen can take make Advantage of.  We saw him neutralize Harry's spells, but never saw him actually try anything active and/or offensive. 


Also, fwiw, I think they might actually be euqal in terms of Age and Experience, since both have origins rooted right there at the Creation of things. 
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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2018, 10:52:58 PM »
I liked the fight scene, very well written (Y)
And I don't think there would be much in the way of magical attacks. Judging from LtW's fight, when shifters fight, they don't use magic all that much. It makes sense, I think, as magical attacks against a prepared foe with supernatural speed and predator's instincts and the ability to shrug off most of them would be futile.
But... Ursiel is described as a thug, and quick to anger, I don't think he has it in him to plan such a trap. Maybe that was Genoskwa's part.
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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2018, 12:13:15 PM »
I liked the fight scene, very well written (Y)
And I don't think there would be much in the way of magical attacks. Judging from LtW's fight, when shifters fight, they don't use magic all that much. It makes sense, I think, as magical attacks against a prepared foe with supernatural speed and predator's instincts and the ability to shrug off most of them would be futile.
With LTW Shaggy opened with boatloads of Magic, he only Shifted to Shifting (heheh) when it was clear that LWT could dodge everything (and the kitchen sink).  He didnt choose physical fighting over Magic, it's what was left. 
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But... Ursiel is described as a thug, and quick to anger, I don't think he has it in him to plan such a trap. Maybe that was Genoskwa's part.
Honestly, the fact that the genoskwa seemed to still have an intact personality and drive at all makes him noticeably different from Ursiel's supposed MO.  Im curious what the cause of that was; Time? Or are Rock People just that much more resilient.
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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2018, 01:03:28 PM »
The only point of disagreement is that I think Magic would make a much more prominent appearance, though I dont know if it would actually tip the scales either way.  One of the mistakes Harry made with Shaggy is to forget that he was also a perfectly capable magical practitioner (he showcased a huge variety of different attacks vs LTW).  Meanwhile the Genoskwa was born to Earth Magic in a way that a Human simply is not, thus presumably in a way that the Fallen can take make Advantage of.  We saw him neutralize Harry's spells, but never saw him actually try anything active and/or offensive. 

I thought about that. The magic showed up once he found someone he considered a threat (LTW). He didn't really use it (that I remember) while attacking the Alphas or the Raith estate. I assumed because he enjoys the more physical aspects of prey he doesn't consider threatening. That being said, maybe he should have broken some out once Ursiel made his appearance.

I liked the fight scene, very well written (Y)
And I don't think there would be much in the way of magical attacks. Judging from LtW's fight, when shifters fight, they don't use magic all that much. It makes sense, I think, as magical attacks against a prepared foe with supernatural speed and predator's instincts and the ability to shrug off most of them would be futile.
But... Ursiel is described as a thug, and quick to anger, I don't think he has it in him to plan such a trap. Maybe that was Genoskwa's part.

Thank you! And I agree, it is a little of a departure from Ursiel's MO, but once I thought of that sequence, I couldn't resist exploring it. Then again...

Honestly, the fact that the genoskwa seemed to still have an intact personality and drive at all makes him noticeably different from Ursiel's supposed MO.  Im curious what the cause of that was; Time? Or are Rock People just that much more resilient.

...maybe there's something to this? Dunno.