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Mantles only connected to the Sacrificial stone?

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groinkick:

--- Quote from: jonas on April 27, 2018, 05:48:31 PM ---I would not immediately disagree, however Woj that most Mantles have been around since the beginning complicates things a bit if you don't consider the source of said mantles, specifically those whose source is known, are directly broken down pieces of the Mothers greater power.

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Well in my theory the Sidhe did not create the Stone Table.  Just as they haven't always been in control of the Outer Gates.  I think it's probably changed hands from many different players, and cultures.  So even if the Sidhe currently control it, those other people who are connected to it from previous control are still tied to it.  It's also possible other pantheons have their own type of storage device which would stop my theory about Outsiders taking all Mantles by getting to the single Stone Table.


--- Quote from: peregrine on April 27, 2018, 04:17:08 PM ---Also, I think the idea that every Mantle is linked to the Table is not necessarily supported.  We need to know for sure what a Mantle proper is, but Warden doesn't seem like it's connected to the Stone Table.  Eldest has its own thing going on.  Maybe Gatekeeper, we don't know if that's a Mantle.  And so on.

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Well if Dresden's hypothesis is correct it did appear that Alfred was vulnerable to Sidhe magic, and that he's a nature type being.  So the Island may very well be influenced or connected in some way by the Sidhe.  Might not be remembering correctly but didn't Harry think the material containing the creatures down below was similar to the material at the Outer Gates?

groinkick:
I know I started this thread but another possible huge dent in my theory is this...  If power was created via worship, and and this power is obtained by a person, then that Mantle might not be able to be destroyed because the Belief was still there...  So as long as that Belief is there, the energy tied to it will exist in one way or another.  What this means to me is that Celestial Being's like Dragons (probably TWG, Angels ect) existed before worship, while "Mantles" came into being via worship and cannot be destroyed unless the source of it's power (belief, worship, love, fans) is destroyed. 

So that could mean the Stone Table was created to combine all these Mantles of worship into one big container.  One Mantle might not have global influence but a thousand combined into one container does, the Sidhe sacrificing Mantle holders.  In a way the Stone Table would be similar to a Dark Hallow in which it gathers all kinds of power.

So Odin for example would not be part of the Stone Table unless the original was sacrificed on it, and that power given to someone else.

Kindler:

--- Quote from: groinkick on April 27, 2018, 06:22:46 PM ---So Odin for example would not be part of the Stone Table unless the original was sacrificed on it, and that power given to someone else.

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In the Poetic Edda, Odin hanged himself from Yggdrasil. So he very well might have sacrificed himself, then inherited his own power.

Anyway, on topic, I'm also one of those who doesn't think everything is a Mantle. I think that there are separate meanings of the word: 1.) a mantle of power, as the Winter Knight's Mantle, the Queens, et cetera, and 2.) a mantle of responsibility, like being the Warden. Being the Warden gives Harry some limited power bonuses, but only when he's in his clubhouse, and really only as an extension of holding the keys to the prison—that's the responsibility. It's more like a Fae deal than a Mantle.

I'm not sure about Mantles of Power being tied to the Stone Table or other receptacle specifically, but I don't think there's much to dispute it, so it works for me for now.

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