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groinkick:
Alright I was just going over a theory in my mind and wanted to chat about it.  I personally don't like the idea of "everything is a Mantle",  and there are examples that not all forms of power are Mantles.  Dragon's are a good example.  When they die, they are gone.  Nobody takes up a Dragon Mantle.

So why aren't Dragon's Mantles?  They are celestial beings.  A wizard is very powerful but their "cup can get full".  So how would someone gain more power when their cup is full?  Construct a much bigger container that they can tap into.  That's where the sacrificial Stone Table comes in.  I'm thinking that every Mantle is connected directly to that Table.  Any form of power not connected to that Table is not a Mantle.  For example if a Dark Hallow was performed.  The person who gained the power would have the power of a dark god but it would not be a Mantle.  If they were destroyed, they would die just like a Dragon...  Would be gone, no transfer of power.

If this theory is true, then the real target of the Old Gods/Outsiders would be to corrupt the Stone Table.  If they could pull that off, game over.  Every single being connected to it would basically become a tool for the Old Gods.  It would be like a computer virus infecting the server that connected thousands of computers.  All the computers could be infected via the server....  The Stone Table would have protection from individual computers (Aurora Nemfected) but if the Table itself was attacked, then all are infected.  Perhaps this is what causes the BAT.  The Core becomes corrupted, and the only thing that can be done is to destroy it...

Snark Knight:
I fully agree with 'not everything is a mantle', but I'm not sure it's quite as restrictive as to only include the Fae aligned with the seasonal courts who share the Table. The pagan gods seem to have something at least very mantle-like going on, and I'm fairly sure the rulers of the wyldfae who are adjacent to the Courts but not actual members have mantles too (although Erl and Kringle basically have one foot in the Courts and one out anyway).

raidem:
I think you should rather say a subset of mantles extend from the Stone Table.  I wonder when we will find out it's origin.

peregrine:
Even if Mab uses the Table to absorb energy, and possibly even got it from the  very beginning, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is linked to her all the time.  Corrupting the table doesn't necessarily mean it will corrupt her, Titania, or any other Mantles we know of.

Though, depending on how it works, killing an Outsider on the Table may affect things as the Outsider power goes into whichever Court.  But it's a poorly designed tool that doesn't take that into account and reduce or eliminate any sort of "flavor" of power.

Also, I think the idea that every Mantle is linked to the Table is not necessarily supported.  We need to know for sure what a Mantle proper is, but Warden doesn't seem like it's connected to the Stone Table.  Eldest has its own thing going on.  Maybe Gatekeeper, we don't know if that's a Mantle.  And so on.

jonas:
I would not immediately disagree, however Woj that most Mantles have been around since the beginning complicates things a bit if you don't consider the source of said mantles, specifically those whose source is known, are directly broken down pieces of the Mothers greater power.
Their are a few ways to attempt to broach and reconcile the subject though, mostly dependent on some leveraging of facts vs theory....
First if you consider woj angels are too... and I forget the precise wording now but whole for Nemesis to mess with, with the idea Angels are Celestial stars and we are on the star 'Gaia' in a cabbalistic manor, giving us a direct shadow of our own reality and then point out MW and indeed the broken down portions in the Queen and Lady are brought inside reality in order to create a balance, which takes it away from our Dark Star/Planetoid.(astrologically and scientifically named Nemesis...)  Then consider what Nemesis CAN mess with has consistently been mantles that exist inside our Star and source directly from the alloy of balance between and you could say all the mantles we know of are broken down pieces of the identity of our own reality/star made manifest genus loci style. And certain angels we have seen are those who came from the stars to earth and formed a true avatar or otherwise overwrote the star via starborn effect, becoming it in truth. (Hence Uriel's dual existence and ability to transubstantiate, as his own self)

Or.. We could take the "mantle of power" literally and point out every being we know of that is a Mantle is also... while not necessarily not the original being, as Cat Sith is, But Not an original representation for said power, or holder of said positioning.(some divergence here from Eldest Mantles to every other Mantle, Eldest Mantles imo apply the 9 psyche's of the consciousness and disperse them, giving that mythical shadow/devil inside us all a barrier between it and the queens, which are just another barrier of course) So those things sacrificed or otherwise killed that are connected to reality become positions of power, where-in the spirit of said being does not pass with it's consciousness as it's somehow stopped from fusing into an afterlife existence.... Which may cause such disembodied beings as outsiders? things not tied to Mantle form can still try to effect reality, but it's less structured in it's attempted possession and it's inherent results... fyi reality champions choice, and Mantles don't take conscious choice away, they restructure it based on your own choices, while making the mantle replace your ID, But notice despite it all Molly is still able to choose as far as within the mantles authority? Looking for a new source of fighters was quite an elective choice... I theorize it has to do with the mantle changing as it subsumes your soul/identity into it.
Other stuff... what were we talking about again?

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