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groinkick:
--- Quote from: raidem on May 20, 2018, 06:46:25 PM ---And for Harry it was a learning experience that he used against the Denarians in Small Favor. Who is to say Murphy won't use her learning experience with the breaking of the Sword of Faith later on too.
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I was just defending her for making an understandable error.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Murphy does know she's not on par. She took up the job because of love for Harry, it was also her reason for the Sword breaking. Harry was responsible for Excalibur nearly being destroyed
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Really? Which job? Knight or Custodian? Knight, Harry asked her because he was Custodian and she was the right match for the job to go to C.I. Beyond that I don't think he knew or understood about long term verses one night stand Knights... Perhaps Murphy accepted for the love of Harry but that was the wrong reason, which she at least understood about herself and rejected the long term gig... Custodian? Not so sure she did that for the love of Harry, more she thought there was no one else, but when Harry came back she clearly thought she knew better than him, that she knew all about him and why she was a better judge than he, she was totally wrong... Her reason for breaking the Sword had nothing to do with her love for Harry, it was about her putting herself in God's place to judge Nic.... He may have used her love of Harry to goad her into acting but it was her own arrogance that did it.
--- Quote ---I'm a fan and wouldn't be bothered. I'd be more bothered if she died.
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Again, really? Expand
--- Quote ---And for Harry it was a learning experience that he used against the Denarians in Small Favor. Who is to say Murphy won't use her learning experience with the breaking of the Sword of Faith later on too.
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You think she will get her hands on a Sword again? Doubtful, not unless she gives up her whole belief system.. Not saying she can't or won't, but.......
As for ports in a storm, Michael has proven himself a better one than Murphy as has Molly, Thomas, Gatekeeper, Eb, Listens to Wind, even Leah and Mab... She is just one of many...
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 20, 2018, 06:49:52 PM ---I was just defending her for making an understandable error.
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It's not that understandable really. The logical choice would've been to shoot him. Even if she didn't know the sword's vulnerability, bullets are harder to dodge than blades, and given Murphy's background, it makes more sense to use her gun. Why use the sword? It seems to me that Uriel had a hand in this, culminating in Butters becoming a knight at the end.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 20, 2018, 07:17:28 PM ---Perhaps Murphy accepted for the love of Harry but that was the wrong reason, which she at least understood about herself and rejected the long term gig...
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The Sword worked perfectly for her up until Nicodemus surrendered. She was in the right up until that moment where emotion overran reason.
--- Quote ---Custodian? Not so sure she did that for the love of Harry, more she thought there was no one else, but when Harry came back she clearly thought she knew better than him, that she knew all about him and why she was a better judge than he, she was totally wrong...
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Really? Mab could literally have ordered Harry to get her the Sword and he'd have been powerless to stop it. Even without Mab's orders Harry was under the Mantle's influence. He was so terrified about the Winter Knight Mantle he chose suicide. If Harry was willing to have himself killed because of the Mantle why would Murphy trust the Sword with him?
Murphy's judgement was correct that a Sword may be vulnerable under such circumstances.
--- Quote ---Her reason for breaking the Sword had nothing to do with her love for Harry, it was about her putting herself in God's place to judge Nic....
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Quite a judgement being made there
--- Quote ---As for ports in a storm, Michael has proven himself a better one than Murphy as has Molly, Thomas, Gatekeeper, Eb, Listens to Wind, even Leah and Mab... She is just one of many...
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No such thing as too many people to love
--- Quote ---Again, really? Expand
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As a fan why would I prefer her to die?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Really? Mab could literally have ordered Harry to get her the Sword and he'd have been powerless to stop it. Even without Mab's orders Harry was under the Mantle's influence. He was so terrified about the Winter Knight Mantle he chose suicide. If Harry was willing to have himself killed because of the Mantle why would Murphy trust the Sword with him?
Murphy's judgement was correct that a Sword may be vulnerable under such circumstances.
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Not talking about Mab and the Sword... Oh Murphy was correct that the Sword was vulnerable but then she went ahead and did exactly the thing that made it vulnerable... But that isn't the point, the point is she is clueless about the post Changes Harry... She wants him to return to pre Changes Harry, that man is dead, she is afraid of the post changes Harry.. Does Murphy even realize that Harry suicided to avoid getting the Winter Knight's mantle? Or that he is on first name basis with an Archangel? Well, she might now..
--- Quote ---The Sword worked perfectly for her up until Nicodemus surrendered. She was in the right up until that moment where emotion overran reason.
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No, for the record her ovaries had nothing to do with it.... Love had nothing to do with it.. The Sword is meant to fight Denarians, but if the Denarian surrenders, then he/she is allowed a chance to seek a path to redemption.. Murphy says up front before the fight began, before that anyone knew she had the Sword concealed in that tube, that she didn't believe in redemption for Denarians.. What broke the Sword was her condemnation of Nic, the "damn you.." Judgement is for God not Knights..
--- Quote ---Quite a judgement being made there
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Only quoting or paraphrasing not just Michael's words, or Uriel's words, but Murphy's own words...
--- Quote ---No such thing as too many people to love
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True, but she isn't indispensable, Harry has many friends to turn to for love and support is the point..
--- Quote ---As a fan why would I prefer her to die?
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If she ceases to be Murphy you might.... If she goes too afar a field from what she originally was.. When the book is perhaps more readable without her than with her... Or it doesn't matter if she appears on the page or not..
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