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Peace Talks character death wag
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 18, 2018, 10:42:55 PM ---
I seem to recall a "Tweet" from Jim maybe a year ago give or take that he was emotional after writing Murphy's funeral... It created a bit of stir here of course. The question is, was he really or just pulling our legs?
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It was a joke. If memory serves it was people constantly asking about the book, and how far he was or something so he responded "I'm writing Murphy's funeral!"
--- Quote from: Mira on May 19, 2018, 09:11:28 PM ---Some would say that it is Murphy's time to die.... Harry loves her, that alone is the kiss of death... Also since she left the police force and refused to become a Holy Knight, there isn't a real place for her that is meaningful, that is why she appears so hollow in the last couple of books.
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I guess it's Michael's time to die as well. Not every character needs to die when they aren't ready to be on the front lines fighting. I think what it's showing is just as Harry has outgrown his enemies of the past, he is now getting to a point where his allies of the past just aren't up to fighting the fights he's going to be having... Marcone, Murphy, the Alpha's, Thomas.... They just aren't on par with Harry anymore, he's too big just as the enemies he's going to be facing are too big.
To paraphrase The Thinker "Those were children with play guns, their powers were nothing."
As for Murphy not really being meaningful for the stories, that's up to Jim. Louis Lane didn't have powers but to Superman she was his rock, his port in the storm. Murphy's meaningfulness might be less about her fighting ability and more about being Harry's port in the storm.
Mira:
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As for Murphy not really being meaningful for the stories, that's up to Jim. Louis Lane didn't have powers but to Superman she was his rock, his port in the storm. Murphy's meaningfulness might be less about her fighting ability and more about being Harry's port in the storm.
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But in the Superman stories once Superman grew up he and all those around him seemed to freeze in time... The never aged from Jimmy Olsen to the guy who ran the newspaper, so MS Lane as the perpetual perky inquisitive foil remained plausible.... More or less... Susan was good in that role until it got serious between them and then seemingly Jim had no
where to go with her, even when she became a half turned vamp, which could have kept her interesting.. While Murphy might remain meaningful as Harry's port in the storm, she isn't his only port anymore..
Jim may have meant it as a joke, but even joking about it says it is on his mind..
--- Quote ---I guess it's Michael's time to die as well. Not every character needs to die when they aren't ready to be on the front lines fighting. I think what it's showing is just as Harry has outgrown his enemies of the past, he is now getting to a point where his allies of the past just aren't up to fighting the fights he's going to be having... Marcone, Murphy, the Alpha's, Thomas.... They just aren't on par with Harry anymore, he's too big just as the enemies he's going to be facing are too big.
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True, most know perfectly well they are not on par with Harry, but Murphy doesn't... That is the point, she thinks she knows Harry and what is best for him, but she is in fact clueless about him, this is what made her a liability in Skin Game to the point of disaster, i.e. the breaking of a Holy Sword.. Someone earlier spoke of setting up what is to come in the next books... I think we are being prepared for her exit, whether it is a mere break up or something more lasting.. I also think if her role is diminished from being someone who physically fights at Harry's side to some "emotional port in the storm," not just fans in general but her fans will be disappointed..
raidem:
--- Quote ---rue, most know perfectly well they are not on par with Harry, but Murphy doesn't... That is the point, she thinks she knows Harry and what is best for him, but she is in fact clueless about him, this is what made her a liability in Skin Game to the point of disaster, i.e. the breaking of a Holy Sword.. Someone earlier spoke of setting up what is to come in the next books... I think we are being prepared for her exit, whether it is a mere break up or something more lasting.. I also think if her role is diminished from being someone who physically fights at Harry's side to some "emotional port in the storm," not just fans in general but her fans will be disappointed..
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I agree with Mira's sentiments. Murphy's role will change. And I think the best way would be to incorporate her end into a time traveling story where she ends up hidden behind a mantle that has already been onscreen. That way, there is a cost to Murphy standing by Harry. And, she is in a way seemingly written out of the story except she has always remained. We just find out she goes by another Name.
Also, if we take Jim's statement as some nugget of truth with respect to writing about "Murphy's funeral," then we must also consider the Gandalf the Grey death. In Lord of the Rings, Gandalf the Grey died. And yet, Gandalf the White rose. So, I wouldn't take it that 'Murphy's funeral" means Karrin Murphy dies, end of story. And we aren't even sure that "Murphy" necessarily means Karrin. There are other Murphy family members that can fit that name too.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 20, 2018, 12:03:24 PM ---But in the Superman stories once Superman grew up he and all those around him seemed to freeze in time... While Murphy might remain meaningful as Harry's port in the storm, she isn't his only port anymore..
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A port in the storm need not be a love interest. Michael is also like this for Harry. Murphy may become more of a sisterly type person for Dresden. I personally don't feel the chemistry for them anymore as lovers even if it was strongly suggested in Skin Game with Harry's dream.
--- Quote ---Jim may have meant it as a joke, but even joking about it says it is on his mind..
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Probably just wishful thinking :). Jim also knows how to tweak his fans.
--- Quote ---True, most know perfectly well they are not on par with Harry, but Murphy doesn't... That is the point, she thinks she knows Harry and what is best for him, but she is in fact clueless about him, this is what made her a liability in Skin Game to the point of disaster, i.e. the breaking of a Holy Sword.. Someone earlier spoke of setting up what is to come in the next books... I think we are being prepared for her exit, whether it is a mere break up or something more lasting..
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Murphy does know she's not on par. She took up the job because of love for Harry, it was also her reason for the Sword breaking. Harry was responsible for Excalibur nearly being destroyed.
--- Quote ---I also think if her role is diminished from being someone who physically fights at Harry's side to some "emotional port in the storm," not just fans in general but her fans will be disappointed...
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I'm a fan and wouldn't be bothered. I'd be more bothered if she died.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Murphy does know she's not on par. She took up the job because of love for Harry, it was also her reason for the Sword breaking. Harry was responsible for Excalibur nearly being destroyed.
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And for Harry it was a learning experience that he used against the Denarians in Small Favor. Who is to say Murphy won't use her learning experience with the breaking of the Sword of Faith later on too.
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