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groinkick:

--- Quote from: raidem on April 10, 2018, 05:14:45 PM ---I think Nemesis would really want to infect Nicodemus.  Would Anduriel know if Nicodemus was infected by Nemesis?
It does seem like it is out of character for angels, even fallen angels per WOJ on Lucifer not being a threat to the Universe to plan with Outsiders.  So, it really does seem like Anduriel's reacton to finding out that Hellfire was used at Arctis Tor was an honest reaction.  It seems Angels AREN'T suppose to work in any way to risk Outsider win in the Universe.  An Angel, even Denarian, using Hellfire in their assault on Arctis Tor and subsequently Mab who protects Reality from Outsiders would qualify as something Angels just do not do.  Now, the twist though is that the Denarian may be able to get around the prohibition by free will vs fallen angel.  I'm sure the Angel wouldn't appreciate that though.  It likely is against it's will even.  It could be a case in which that Denarian is infected with Nemesis and that power is able to overcome Fallen Angels influence via Coin.

I'm wondering if Nic suspected some of the Denarians of this and therefore allowed circumstances to exist in which he would benefit from the Denarian getting axed.

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Nicodemus believes some of the Fallen are working against him.  Some could have chosen sides with the Old Ones.  Lucy put them in the Coin's because he thought they were the most likely to betray him.  Betray to who?  God?  Unlikely. So who does that leave?  I think that Andruiel has Nicodemus so fooled.  Nicodemus think's he's in charge.

raidem:
Well I do think Anduriel compromised Nicodemus free will in Skin Game when Michael almost convinced Nic to surrender the coin by appealing to his fatherhood and what the Fallen had him do with his daughter.  I think Anduriel started breaking the rules (cheating) and Uriel may get to balance that later.  I guess that leads to the question can a Fallen once tied to a human via the coin have open season on violating the free will of the human without it being balanced by Heaven.

kazimmoinuddin:
Harry has soul fire, that is akin to angelic power. So he could be involved in a Denarian ritual when they power a ritual using hellfire. They would provide the raw power for the ritual, while Harry provides control and direction for the magics.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: raidem on April 10, 2018, 07:20:42 PM ---Well I do think Anduriel compromised Nicodemus free will in Skin Game when Michael almost convinced Nic to surrender the coin by appealing to his fatherhood and what the Fallen had him do with his daughter.  I think Anduriel started breaking the rules (cheating) and Uriel may get to balance that later.  I guess that leads to the question can a Fallen once tied to a human via the coin have open season on violating the free will of the human without it being balanced by Heaven.

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Possible, but I think it was a way to take away any sympathy from Nicodemus.  He's not being manipulated into holding a Coin, he's doing so because he wants it, he wants to do what the Fallen wants to do. 

raidem:
I disagree. I think absurdly started pushing buttons though I do agree that nic wants to do what anduriel plans.

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