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Mr Sunshine has wiped out universes before. - WOJ
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on April 08, 2018, 06:47:43 PM ---Which has more power. The president ordering a nuclear strike, or someone who can manipulate the laws of physics with their mind to cause a nuclear explosion? The one who can manipulate the laws of physics with their mind can do much much more vs someone using a nuke.
They aren't the same. The Mothers "allowing" the Outsiders to come in vs TWG creating the rules in which it is possible for them to come in is much different. The power to destroy a universe with your own power vs destroying the universe by allowing creatures capable of destroying it in are completely different levels of power.
It means one level of power is much more limited, and contained vs one that can do much more. One follows the rules, and one creates them.
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I'd say there's an argument that someone with thousands of nukes that could be simultaneously fired is more dangerous than someone that can magically induce one, and who likely couldn't do that numerous times in quick succession.
But I get what you're saying. It's a question of raw ability versus leverage. Arches have the raw ability to destroy universes. The Mothers don't. But they do have the leverage to get it done. Both are power of one sort or another. They're not the same, but the result is.
All this is assuming that one or the other is free enough to do their part in the scenario.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 08, 2018, 08:54:59 PM ---I'd say there's an argument that someone with thousands of nukes that could be simultaneously fired is more dangerous than someone that can magically induce one, and who likely couldn't do that numerous times in quick succession.
But I get what you're saying. It's a question of raw ability versus leverage. Arches have the raw ability to destroy universes. The Mothers don't. But they do have the leverage to get it done. Both are power of one sort or another. They're not the same, but the result is.
All this is assuming that one or the other is free enough to do their part in the scenario.
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Yeah, it's a tight rope Jim has to be careful with. Kinda like "Well if Mother Winter could do all this what point is there for Harry Dresden to save the day?"
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 08, 2018, 08:54:59 PM ---But I get what you're saying. It's a question of raw ability versus leverage. Arches have the raw ability to destroy universes. The Mothers don't. But they do have the leverage to get it done. Both are power of one sort or another. They're not the same, but the result is.
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I think when Lea said in SK that the Queens and Mothers had power to rival the archangels, she simply doesn't have much of an idea how powerful archangels actually are. Which is an understandable mistake to make since how much of their power they can actually use is very limited in normal circumstances, and she simply hasn't been privy to any of the "aw shucks, time to wrap up this universe" circumstances.
Plus, she had the athame at that point. She could have just been lying, although I don't even see a reason doing so there would benefit Nemesis.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 08, 2018, 04:48:18 AM ---They're equal in their way. If an assassin wants to kill someone, they kill them. If a rich person wants to kill someone, they get the assassin to do it. The victim is dead either way.
Likewise, if the Mothers wanted to destroy the universe, they could (theoretically) let the Outsiders in. Then either the Outsiders or Management would destroy the universe. Even if the Mothers aren't pulling the trigger, the universe is dead either way.
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By themselves, I doubt the Mothers could let the Outsiders in. I suspect that that would require mortal free will on some level.
In some ways, the Mothers are a little like the robots in Isaac Asimov's stories, I think. The Laws of the Sidhe aren't something they choose to obey, it's something they MUST obey, like the the Three Laws of Robotics for robots in Asimov's stories.
Which isn't to say, like some of Asimov's robots, that they can't find sneaky ways around some of the requirements, ditto Mab and Titania.
groinkick:
Michael played with the Grace.. oops!
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