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Nick and the Cup (New Theory?)

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Avernite:

--- Quote from: Kindler on March 20, 2018, 01:18:46 PM ---My understanding of the Blackened Denarii is that it was Lucifer who bound thirty of his most troublesome employees to them to keep them out of contention for overthrowing the established order. These were those who had both ambition and enough power to make trouble for Lucy, especially working together. If anything could cancel out Lucy's binding, I'd imagine it would be something tied to the Anti-Lucifer. Not really sure the balance between thirty Coins and three Swords comes into play; just because something exists currently in balance doesn't mean that that balance can't be upturned—that was the crux of the plot in Summer Knight. It'd certainly be disastrous, but that's sort of the goal of Nic's plot.

And it'd also be cool to see what The White God does to counter such a move; I'd imagine Anduriel and Uriel wouldn't get along particularly well.

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Well, an Archangel lent his Grace to countering it. I don't think he has many bigger tools to put in play...

Or for that matter bigger allies to throw in, since Mab and Hades were already in on this one (maybe not as allies by their own understanding, but eh).

Kindler:

--- Quote from: Avernite on March 25, 2018, 06:58:26 PM ---Well, an Archangel lent his Grace to countering it. I don't think he has many bigger tools to put in play...

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Yeah, but that was just to counter a Fallen still trapped inside a Coin with a host; imagine Uriel vs. Anduriel without the whole host situation. Just raw, terrifying power.

For what it's worth, I'm reasonably certain Uriel would just sneeze and Anduriel would pop like a balloon.

raidem:
I still think Uriel is trying to redeem Anduriel.  I mean they share part of the same name so I think there is a closer connection between these two angels than say two other angels with different names.

WereElephant:

--- Quote from: raidem on March 26, 2018, 01:12:53 PM ---I still think Uriel is trying to redeem Anduriel.  I mean they share part of the same name so I think there is a closer connection between these two angels than say two other angels with different names.

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Uriel apparently means something to the effect of "God is my light".

According to this reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/3hs0bj/anduriels_name/), Anduriel is a made up name.

The "el" suffix, as we know, is the "of God" portion of an angel's name, so removing that leaves "Uri" and "Anduri", or possibly "Ur" and "Andur", depending on how the construction works. "Anduri" could be construed as a direct negative of "Uri", like adding "dis" or "un" to a Latin root. While Uriel would mean "God is my light", Anduriel could mean something like "God is my darkness". That would imply that when Anduriel rebelled, he chose a rebellious name, overriding whatever his original God-given name was.

Based on that reasoning, either Anduriel is a moniker chosen out of spite and as foil to Uriel's office, or it is the original name of the Fallen Angel with a different and unknown root. In either case, though, Anduriel's name doesn't seem directly related to Uriel's.

I could easily be wrong, though. Etymology excites me, and I will readily follow linguistic rabbits down numerous holes.

Lost Merlin:
I would think that based on the names and based on their jobs that Uriel is very closely linked to Anduriel.  When the linkage occurred is up for debate. 

Uriel - Spook of TWG.
Anduriel - Information Gathering Specialist. 

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