The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Nick and the Cup (New Theory?)
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on March 26, 2018, 04:36:01 PM ---I would think that based on the names and based on their jobs that Uriel is very closely linked to Anduriel. When the linkage occurred is up for debate.
Uriel - Spook of TWG.
Anduriel - Information Gathering Specialist.
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For the record, "Anduriel" translates to something like "God is not my home" or "There is no God in my home." (A/An- prefixes in Latin/Greek literally translate as "Not," or "lacking." "Duriel" in Hebrew translates something like "My home is with God.")
But I agree, their roles are very similar, and their names both have "Uriel" in it. And Raidem, I believe that redemption is always the preferred option, and Uriel wishes it—but I also doubt he'd hesitate if that became impractical. Uriel and Anduriel mirror Michael and Nicodemus very well; we saw Michael desperately trying to save Nicodemus (in some of my favorite scenes in the series—notably, Nicodemus denies three times in Skin Game, if memory serves), but then saw him take the gloves off for the first time when it became clear it wouldn't work.
Not trying to start any real debate, but there have been theological arguments for centuries now over whether or not Fallen angels can be redeemed; many say no. I don't know how it works in the Dresden Files, but I'd guess that it's possible for it to happen, but like a psychologist's patient, they have to want to change (and ask for it).
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on March 26, 2018, 04:36:01 PM ---I would think that based on the names and based on their jobs that Uriel is very closely linked to Anduriel. When the linkage occurred is up for debate.
Uriel - Spook of TWG.
Anduriel - Information Gathering Specialist.
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That would make sense with Anduriel's ability to know what's going on in shadows.
raidem:
Hey, maybe Harry will change Anduriel's name. Uriel felt the magnitude of Harry's naming. If Harry so chose to name Anduriel differently, he could change Anduriel to something other than what he was. Harry was able to name Lash and by doing so helped liberate her from Lasciel. I think Harry could target Anduriel for redemption.
Harry has already changed the Denarians in general to Nickleheads, so he has already in a way degraded their strength.
So going with what some have said before about Anduriel vs. Duriel. Maybe Harry will end up assisting Anduriel changing to Duriel.
Lost Merlin:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on March 26, 2018, 01:29:23 PM ---Uriel apparently means something to the effect of "God is my light". ...
...The "el" suffix, as we know, is the "of God" portion of an angel's name, so removing that leaves "Uri" and "Anduri", or possibly "Ur" and "Andur", depending on how the construction works....
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--- Quote from: raidem on March 26, 2018, 06:48:26 PM ---...Uriel felt the magnitude of Harry's naming. If Harry so chose to name Anduriel differently, he could change Anduriel to something other than what he was. Harry was able to name Lash and by doing so helped liberate her from Lasciel...
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Just a side interesting thought.
I think Harry Shortened Uriel to Uri, which following Were's etymology would drop the 'el' getting rid of the 'of God' part of the name, maybe making Uriel fall or stripping him of his powers.
raidem:
Harry attempted to Name Uriel differently but got stared down and firmly corrected. Harry revised the Name from Uri to Mr. Sunshine to which Uriel replied something to effect of "that's fine."
You guys think Harry will ever call Anduriel, "Duriel" in an attempt to change him?
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