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Nick and the Cup (New Theory?)

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--- Quote from: Kindler on March 20, 2018, 01:18:46 PM ---My understanding of the Blackened Denarii is that it was Lucifer who bound thirty of his most troublesome employees to them to keep them out of contention for overthrowing the established order. These were those who had both ambition and enough power to make trouble for Lucy, especially working together. If anything could cancel out Lucy's binding, I'd imagine it would be something tied to the Anti-Lucifer. Not really sure the balance between thirty Coins and three Swords comes into play; just because something exists currently in balance doesn't mean that that balance can't be upturned—that was the crux of the plot in Summer Knight. It'd certainly be disastrous, but that's sort of the goal of Nic's plot.

And it'd also be cool to see what The White God does to counter such a move; I'd imagine Anduriel and Uriel wouldn't get along particularly well.

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Those were the reasons Lucifer Chose those Thirty particular Fallen to trap in coins and insodoing release them on Earth (in a limited fashoin) but hte Coins themselves are part of a larger cosmic Balance that does not seem within Luficer's power (at least not alone).  In other words, the Balance and/or the Capital 'S' Significant event that occurred surrounding the Crucifixion is what created/crystallized the Swords and the Coins themselves, even though each side was/is apparently free to assign them however they see fit. 

Rasins:
I wonder if the aim of the Knight's of the Blackend Denarius want the destruction of the Swords, in part, because if they actually destroy one, 10 of them get released.

Lost Merlin:
I would question if any of the Denarius want to be freed from the coins?  For the most part it seems that the fallen in the coins have it much better then the fallen in hell.  From our perspective anyway. 

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--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on March 20, 2018, 02:02:33 PM ---I would question if any of the Denarius want to be freed from the coins?  For the most part it seems that the fallen in the coins have it much better then the fallen in hell.  From our perspective anyway.

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Unless they are released from the coins here on earth. 

If they are released back in to hell, I agree, but we don't know.

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--- Quote from: Rasins on March 20, 2018, 02:23:47 PM ---Unless they are released from the coins here on earth. 

If they are released back in to hell, I agree, but we don't know.

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We have WOJ that releasing them in the sense of breaking open the coins and letting them out, they'd be able to use their full un-restricted power on earth, but that it would destroy all kinds of cosmic balances. 

On the other hand, if Lucufer put them in the coins it might be possible for him to Replace them, which would put them back in Hell and entirely prevented from interacting with Earth the way the rest of the Fallen are.  Which seems to mean they can Choose to Act, but doing so provokes a response from Heaven, as was the case when Luficer intervened in SmF.

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