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New (I hope) Elaine Theory
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: forumghost on March 03, 2018, 12:58:33 AM ---I wouldn't say 'numerous times' she helped once by deliberately using a shoddy paralysis spell, and once by holding the hedge open for him- neither of which can be reasonably traced to her.
And in WN she was involved because she was a potential target.
Rather than evil, I'd classify her as selfish/cowardly. She's willing to help, but only until she herself comes under fire- at which point she starts looking for people to throw under a bus in her place.
If the Formor approached her with a deal like "give us some names from these places and we'll leave you're town alone" I can see her taking it.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. She left the vulnerability in the spell she used, made sure to tell Harry so he wouldn't miss it, didn't attack at the battle, and helped him enter the hedge. She betrayed a Sidhe she was in debt to in order to help him twice, either of which would have gotten her killed if Aurora had survived.
Sure, she lied, and endangered Harry and the world by helping Aurora, but we've seen how a debt owed to the Sidhe can be dangerous. Harry owed Mab three favors, but she could puppet him, make him hurt himself, and get what she wanted even when he wanted to refuse. Elaine had built up years of debt, so there's no reason to believe she could refuse without getting herself killed.
She effectively did the same thing Harry does. She grins and bears it while she has to, but doesn't hurt a loved one, and does the right thing in the end.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 03, 2018, 02:49:10 AM ---I'm not sure what you're talking about. She left the vulnerability in the spell she used, made sure to tell Harry so he wouldn't miss it, didn't attack at the battle, and helped him enter the hedge. She betrayed a Sidhe she was in debt to in order to help him twice, either of which would have gotten her killed if Aurora had survived.
Sure, she lied, and endangered Harry and the world by helping Aurora, but we've seen how a debt owed to the Sidhe can be dangerous. Harry owed Mab three favors, but she could puppet him, make him hurt himself, and get what she wanted even when he wanted to refuse. Elaine had built up years of debt, so there's no reason to believe she could refuse without getting herself killed.
She effectively did the same thing Harry does. She grins and bears it while she has to, but doesn't hurt a loved one, and does the right thing in the end.
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Perhaps.... I still think she could be a deep cover enemy... She helps Harry short term but it's for a longer term goal that isn't good.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on March 03, 2018, 05:55:31 AM ---Perhaps.... I still think she could be a deep cover enemy... She helps Harry short term but it's for a longer term goal that isn't good.
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I agree. I still think it's a fifty-fifty shot she's Kumori. She could be a reluctant thrall, or a misguided recruit, or a willing participant, or a sinister mastermind. I'm not saying she's *good*.
I'm just saying her actions, as Elaine, have not been overtly selfish and cold-hearted. She might be both those things, but she hasn't appeared like that.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 03, 2018, 12:04:31 PM ---I agree. I still think it's a fifty-fifty shot she's Kumori. She could be a reluctant thrall, or a misguided recruit, or a willing participant, or a sinister mastermind. I'm not saying she's *good*.
I'm just saying her actions, as Elaine, have not been overtly selfish and cold-hearted. She might be both those things, but she hasn't appeared like that.
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Do you consider it strange from a writers point of view that such a significant person from Harry's past has played such a small role in the series? It's his first love who he thought he'd killed who comes back and then....... gone? It's odd to me. Word had to have made the rounds that Dresden had been killed, and then even more waves must have been made upon his return. She never even dropped by to see if the rumors were true.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on March 03, 2018, 07:20:01 PM ---Do you consider it strange from a writers point of view that such a significant person from Harry's past has played such a small role in the series? It's his first love who he thought he'd killed who comes back and then....... gone? It's odd to me. Word had to have made the rounds that Dresden had been killed, and then even more waves must have been made upon his return. She never even dropped by to see if the rumors were true.
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Not particularly. She's got to stay away because the Council might get suspicious if a "worked together once" acquaintance dropped everything twice to come to Chicago for a guy she "barely knows". Especially since there was never a big funeral or a welcome back party (other than Mab's).
And remember, they knew each other for maybe four years, and that was 22 years ago (or so) for them. They've seen each other a handful of times since then, and maybe talked on the phone about the Paranet once or twice.
Combine their distant relationship, awkward history, and prying eyes, and there's plenty of reason for her to stay away.
But she'll be back.
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