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jonas:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 28, 2018, 11:04:35 PM ---The biggest issue I have with five Merlins in five universes at five times theory is that it makes Demonreach five times as vulnerable.

If it was created in one timeline, then it has to be unmade in that timeline.  But if it was made in five, then a successful attack on any of the others would destroy it.  That's five times as much trouble.

Five Merlins coming to make it in one timeline would at least avoid that.

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Huge problem there... how would 5 merlins enter any one timeline without causing splinter universes by the action itself? The end result would be just as troublesome as they cascade outward. instead of twisting time together they'd fray it's continuing linearity.
See, I see it opposite, making it five times at the same time actually makes it harder to trouble with, as you must attack it simultaneously from all five in order to destabilize it's resonance. Hence I think why the attack HAD to come across time. It had to break time barriers in order to effect something that had already done so... if that makes any sense, if not let me know lol.
*would they not have to destroy the possibility of Merlin making the trip at all in order to negate any one timeline were he does so? probability combined with conservation of history, perhaps they change slightly with attacks upon their timelines but a new version still comes to a head of it?

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: jonas on March 01, 2018, 01:29:55 AM ---Huge problem there... how would 5 merlins enter any one timeline without causing splinter universes by the action itself? The end result would be just as troublesome as they cascade outward. instead of twisting time together they'd fray it's continuing linearity.
See, I see it opposite, making it five times at the same time actually makes it harder to trouble with, as you must attack it simultaneously from all five in order to destabilize it's resonance. Hence I think why the attack HAD to come across time. It had to break time barriers in order to effect something that had already done so... if that makes any sense, if not let me know lol.
*would they not have to destroy the possibility of Merlin making the trip at all in order to negate any one timeline were he does so? probability combined with conservation of history, perhaps they change slightly with attacks upon their timelines but a new version still comes to a head of it?

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I'm not sure why you think five Merlins coming together in one timeline would cause issues.  We're talking (or at least I am) about five stable splinterverses, each with their own Merlin.  And those Merlins coming together to visit one timeline and working together to make Demonreach.  They'd still have to make additional trips to the past/future of that timeline to make it five times there.

jonas:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 01, 2018, 01:47:24 AM ---I'm not sure why you think five Merlins coming together in one timeline would cause issues.  We're talking (or at least I am) about five stable splinterverses, each with their own Merlin.  And those Merlins coming together to visit one timeline and working together to make Demonreach.  They'd still have to make additional trips to the past/future of that timeline to make it five times there.

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Due to the complexity of the answer i'm going to forgo it in favor of asking about this,(I mean, just paradox issues alone, how would their existence be stable, and why would they go to one timeline when... er, nvm, for now lol) How do you separate 5 times at the same time into the statement of five times throughout time or in five timelines? It's not an interpretation I see easily.
I'm thinking, and I think we will see a smaller version of this in MM when someone has to fix the timeline issues, that DR is basically a bow tying together multiple existences, if not at the beginning tying all of existence together around 5 central 'root/trunk' universes(in keeping with the parallels of DR to Yggdrasil.

groinkick:
The Never Never moves differently time wise.  Hades for example slowed it way down.  The prisoners are also held in a place where there are roots that are much too deep to be from tree's...  Perhaps the 5 different times at the same time were 5 different places within the Never Never where time is moving differently from one another.

jonas:

--- Quote from: groinkick on March 01, 2018, 05:17:37 AM ---The Never Never moves differently time wise.  Hades for example slowed it way down.  The prisoners are also held in a place where there are roots that are much too deep to be from tree's...  Perhaps the 5 different times at the same time were 5 different places within the Never Never where time is moving differently from one another.

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No, no. Merlin Made DR in our reality specifically. NN time isn't the issue, it's true time as seen by mortal linearity. An i'm not sure the actual passage of time would be important than, just that the precise 'time' is co-aligned in each different area to be at the same time from whichever standard time can then be measured from... the stars themselves perhaps?

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