The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
TT Harry in Proven Guilty
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 21, 2018, 08:10:36 PM ---No. Nothing to support it. Only Mavra's absence.
I doubt Bonnie's going to be helpful, and I doubt he remembers the Word verbatim on his own. But it's possible.
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Honestly, I got the sense that the Darkhallow itself was pretty simple. Grevane is even shocked at how straightforward it is. I think it's more a matter of power and timing than an intricate rite. You're essentially just, like, eating ghosts. Harry's already done that once. Twice, actually, if you count Ghost Story. I mean, Corpsetaker was able to pull off a miniature one without a body. Unless I'm totally misinterpreting things or forgot something.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 21, 2018, 08:10:36 PM ---I doubt Bonnie's going to be helpful, and I doubt he remembers the Word verbatim on his own. But it's possible.
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The only parts I'd really bet on him retaining without Lash to help him are how to raise Sue (because he's actually done it), and the Darkhallow and whatever Achilles' heel to the Black Court he threatened Mavra with having read from the Word before turning it over (because he's contemplated needing to use those).
And I'm not even really certain about the Black Court one, since he didn't use it when it would have come in handy against that Master who showed up in It's My Birthday Too. The Doylist reason was obviously that using necromancy again would have been crossing a line that doesn't fit with the light tone of a short story, but unless it's illegal because blampires are former humans, I don't see the Watsonian reason.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 22, 2018, 02:25:11 PM ---Honestly, I got the sense that the Darkhallow itself was pretty simple. Grevane is even shocked at how straightforward it is. I think it's more a matter of power and timing than an intricate rite. You're essentially just, like, eating ghosts. Harry's already done that once. Twice, actually, if you count Ghost Story. I mean, Corpsetaker was able to pull off a miniature one without a body. Unless I'm totally misinterpreting things or forgot something.
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--- Quote from: Snark Knight on February 22, 2018, 06:43:52 PM ---The only parts I'd really bet on him retaining without Lash to help him are how to raise Sue (because he's actually done it), and the Darkhallow and whatever Achilles' heel to the Black Court he threatened Mavra with having read from the Word before turning it over (because he's contemplated needing to use those).
And I'm not even really certain about the Black Court one, since he didn't use it when it would have come in handy against that Master who showed up in It's My Birthday Too. The Doylist reason was obviously that using necromancy again would have been crossing a line that doesn't fit with the light tone of a short story, but unless it's illegal because blampires are former humans, I don't see the Watsonian reason.
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I think the Darkhallow was only part of the Word. The rest, that he didn't cast and only skimmed, might have been more difficult.
Of course, that's assuming he didn't make a copy between recovering it and handing it over. JB could totally pull a surprise card and say that one of the things saved in his duffel bag was a copy of the Word. Although I doubt it.
beetnemesis:
A bit that's forgotten by everyone (EXCEPT ME, I WILL BE VINDICATED) is the Lost Book in Small Favor.
In SF, Harry goes looking for a book on the Fae in his office, looking for information on gruffs. But... it's not there. Instead, there's a book of Calvin and Hobbes comics.
This is insane. Harry A) is a book nerd B) Has a well-organized library C) Has Bob to remember where all his books are and D) Has such a small social circle that no one could have easily taken it.
Whoever the time traveler is, "borrowed" that book. Harry makes the most sense by far.
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Also- I strongly, STRONGLY doubt that Mab fixed Little Chicago without any time travel schenanigans going on. Not only would that be an incredibly unsatisfying conclusion, it also makes no sense that it would have been a secret for so long.
Not to say that Mab doesn't keep secrets- just that this one would be pointless and boring.
raidem:
One point against Future Harry himself originally fixing Little Chicago is the conservation of history argument. It takes tons of power to go back in time and change significant things in one's own past. I think that pretty much precludes Harry from being the Original Fixer. Now, I could see that there was an Original Fixer and then in a different iteration Future Harry steps in place of this person.
I could also see a different Parallel Harry assisting our Harry out by fixing Little Chicago. This sidesteps the conservation of history argument. It also can sidestep the 'time travel' problem too. In Amber, different parallel worlds don't all have the same clock. So, there can be a parallel world where Harry" is quite advanced and he helps out this other parallel Harry (ourHarry). So, there is no time travel, nor is there conservation of history problems. This can be what is occurring with Cowl. Cowl arises from a parallel world that ticks faster than ours. He cross over into ours to mess things up. It just appears to be time travel when it really isn't.
<<If Shadows (Parallel Worlds) tick at different rates and travel between these are possible, then what appears to be time travel in some instances isn't exactly.>>
*I still argue that traversing between parallel worlds and traversing time can be fashioned into a higher function where there is a temporal component(s) to both.
One other thing to note. We should keep track of Harry's door. The difficulty people have in opening it. The carpet that gets hung up at the door. The door swelling. Etc. It's a bit weird that Jim spends so much time focusing on it. It might end up being a clue.
I know Murphy doesn't have as much trouble opening the door as Harry does.
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