The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
I love you
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: raidem on February 15, 2018, 02:23:58 PM ---I think if Harry heavily drew upon and merged more fully with the mantle he'd get get access to the winter laws. He still would have free will but he needs to get over the fear of the mantle and have faith in himself.
--- End quote ---
Actually, I think his fear of that Mantle is very, very well-founded. The more he opens himself to it, the more access to his operating system the mantle's software has, to use a computer analogy. I use the software analogy for a reason.
Remember what the mantles do. Over time, they try to overwrite the operating system of the host with the 'Summer/Winter/Whatever' operating system. Uriel told Harry that the Fae can't make him change...but if he opens himself too much to the mantle, that might be more or less giving permission for it to change him.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 16, 2018, 01:36:40 PM ---Well, side note but I personally think the key to the Mantle is that Mab did NOT give it to Harry, she gave it to Id-Harry (hence the Snowflake Badge) and so all the base urges and desires are not from Winter, they are from his own inner self that has been empowered by Winter and given a much louder voice. Makes sense to me that Mab would be able to sense/interact with him, and find him a more understanding/accepting (to her POV) collaborator
--- End quote ---
I tend to doubt that would be possible. Id-Harry is just Harry talking to himself, one side of him talking to another. I don't think Mab could give the mantle to just id-Harry any more than she could give it to just his left arm and not his right arm.
As for the dark impulses coming from Harry, I'm sure that's the case. The Winter Mantle brings out the host's 'wintery' impulses, ramps them up and amplifies them, but they don't come from nowhere. I think that's how it works with any host. A host who somehow lacked any 'wintery' urges at all, zero presence, probably would be unaffected by it, but he probably also couldn't be the Winter Knight in the first place.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on February 27, 2018, 10:16:42 PM ---I tend to doubt that would be possible. Id-Harry is just Harry talking to himself, one side of him talking to another. I don't think Mab could give the mantle to just id-Harry any more than she could give it to just his left arm and not his right arm.
--- End quote ---
I can. Any time the Right Arm can have an argument with the Left Arm, anyway. It might be all in his head in the way 9to use a marvel comparison) each personality of Legion has a different Superpower. But he's sat down and had several face-to-face conversations with Id-Harry, so whatever the nature of their relationship may turn out to be (Im a fan of the natural-born Outsider Symbiote that is what makes a Starborn Theory) they have discrete identities.
raidem:
After reading Amber series and understanding what out can mean, I'm more inclined to accept that out isn't just the bad outsiders. There are also good ones too.
The out theory would be s metaverse beyond even our own but attached to it where there is a war between chaos and order. Our bad outsiders may align with this chaos group or be something even antithetical to this traverse as well. In any event, Mac would be an original being from this traverse, this out that then came to our own.
I'm liking the outside symbiote theory, or at least an ability that allows one to consult a hive mind of Harry's.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on February 14, 2018, 08:36:36 PM ---Think of the ramifications of making that choice. It would have poisoned Harry's friendship with Michael, but only after Harry discovered the truth of what he had done. Thomas had information on where Susan and Justine had been taken. So without that knowledge to go on Susan would have been turned and Justine would have died. Harry would have realized he had made a mistake; and I think Michael too, if they had killed Thomas and then found out he had brought Amorachius to them.
--- End quote ---
While I think the three words to Susan is a more probable direction for Jim to write the diverging timelines from, I really like the narrative implications that could come out of MM-Harry allowing Michael to kill Thomas. The realization that the nightmare was Kravos' ghost came really close to that scene, so if he hadn't found out Justine and Susan were still alive and rushed off to save them from Bianca, Harry probably would have gone to Bob asking 'how do I beat a ghost?' questions. Cue that line of questioning unlocking Evil Bob, and a left turn into learning Kemmler's techniques from him.
And further down the line, of course, think what Nicodemus could do with "You realize, Dresden, that the vampire your friend Michael killed was Maggie's first son?" in making his pitch in DM that the Knights are not so good after all.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version