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I love you
Lost Merlin:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 15, 2018, 05:03:13 PM ---Im pretty sure we saw exactly that happening at the end of CD, and there werre bigger problems with it than just a lack of faith or fear of the Mantle; it nearly very drove him savagely insane.
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I also think that was him doing the Harry thing of, 'I have an Idea how to do this let me slam a lot of power in to something to try and get it to work right.' Basically he dove really deep and had the expectation that he would need to give in to his baser desires to draw on that power. With time and understanding he will be able to lean on the Mantle more without having as many side effects. I think we saw proof of that in SG when battling the Coined Sasquatch [or whatever it was]. Winter Knight at the end of CD will not be the same Winter Knight at the beginning of PT. He has had more time to learn and refine what Mab has given him.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on February 15, 2018, 05:24:23 PM ---I also think that was him doing the Harry thing of, 'I have an Idea how to do this let me slam a lot of power in to something to try and get it to work right.' Basically he dove really deep and had the expectation that he would need to give in to his baser desires to draw on that power. With time and understanding he will be able to lean on the Mantle more without having as many side effects. I think we saw proof of that in SG when battling the Coined Sasquatch [or whatever it was]. Winter Knight at the end of CD will not be the same Winter Knight at the beginning of PT. He has had more time to learn and refine what Mab has given him.
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Well, side note but I personally think the key to the Mantle is that Mab did NOT give it to Harry, she gave it to Id-Harry (hence the Snowflake Badge) and so all the base urges and desires are not from Winter, they are from his own inner self that has been empowered by Winter and given a much louder voice. Makes sense to me that Mab would be able to sense/interact with him, and find him a more understanding/accepting (to her POV) collaborator
Lost Merlin:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 16, 2018, 01:36:40 PM ---Well, side note but I personally think the key to the Mantle is that Mab did NOT give it to Harry, she gave it to Id-Harry (hence the Snowflake Badge) and so all the base urges and desires are not from Winter, they are from his own inner self that has been empowered by Winter and given a much louder voice. Makes sense to me that Mab would be able to sense/interact with him, and find him a more understanding/accepting (to her POV) collaborator
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Interesting theory. Then wouldn't Harry not have access to it since it was given to a different part of him, or would he only have access when getting in touch with his id? if that is the case then the growth we have seen to Harry in CD and SG are all on Harry's Maturation, Mab's Training, and knowledge passed on from his ID?
Sorry if you have argued on laid this all out before but I come and go on here.
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HARRY DID SAY "LOVE YOU, TOO" TO KARRIN:
--- Quote ---Murphy turned to me. She reached up with both hands, put them on the sides of my head, and pulled me down a little. Then she kissed my forehead and my mouth, neither quickly nor with passion. Then she let me go and looked up at me, her eyes worried and calm. "You know that I love you, Harry. You're a good man. A good friend."
I gave her a lopsided smile. "Don't go all gushy on me, Murph."
She shook her head. "I'm serious. Don't get yourself killed. Kick whatsoever ass you need to in order to make that happen." She looked down. "My world would be a scarier place without you in it."
I chewed my lip for a second, feeling very awkward. Then I said, "I'd rather have you covering my back than anyone in the world, Karrin." I cleared my throat. "You might be the best friend I've ever had."
She blinked quickly several times and shook her head. "Okay. This is going somewhere awkward."
"Maybe we should take it from ‘whatsoever ass,' " I suggested.
She nodded. "Find him. Kick his ass."
"That is the plan," I confirmed. Then I bent down and kissed her forehead and her mouth, gently, and leaned my forehead against hers. "Love you, too," I whispered.(edited)
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The "I love you" problem with Murphy has been averted :)
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on February 16, 2018, 02:26:00 PM ---Interesting theory. Then wouldn't Harry not have access to it since it was given to a different part of him, or would he only have access when getting in touch with his id? if that is the case then the growth we have seen to Harry in CD and SG are all on Harry's Maturation, Mab's Training, and knowledge passed on from his ID?
Sorry if you have argued on laid this all out before but I come and go on here.
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No worries, I dont know that Ive covered it recently. The two big clues for me are 1) the Snowflake badge that Id-Harry was wearing in SG and 2) the fact that Harry is able to suppress the Mantle specifically by asserting his rational mind over his emotional sub-conscious, via that counting ritual he does. Winter IS the Rational, ultimately so. It doesnt make sense that one of Winter's defining characteristics would be used to suppressing it's influence; if anything Id have expected Winter to make harry Colder and more Logical and Rational and /less/ emotional. But if he is suppressing his own Id by giving focus to his Conscious, Rational mind, it would fit.
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