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Kumori's Identity-Elaine and Harry's daughter-Faith Astor

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raidem:
New Theory: I was on discord conversing with some members there. And, I wondered about the cosmic powers wanting to get a child from Harry's. This partly arose by similar plots in Amber whereby so many powers tend to want Merlin to hook up with this person or that.  So, I broached the idea that Elaine and Harry may have had a child together.  That Elaine was pregnant at the time of Harry defeating Justin.  I included the following conversation where the original thoughts sprang from.  After his conversation, I had time to reflect on it. I am now wondering if Harry/Elaine's daughter is also Faith Astor who then becomes Kumori.  On subsequent reflection, I tend to believe that a Elaine=Kumori fit is a better one but still with Elaine having a daughter with Harry.

[11:08 AM] raidem: Yesterday, I was wondering if Elaine may have had a child with Harry.
[11:09 AM] ZQKing: Let's go with no
[11:09 AM] raidem: I would think that the higher powers would want to get Harry's kid.
[11:09 AM] Boustrophedonic: Obviously that child is Kumori
[11:09 AM] spaghettimonster: here we go again
crawls into the fortified bunker marked 'In Case of Raidem Theories'(edited)
[11:09 AM] Boustrophedonic: /s
[11:10 AM] raidem: Hmm.  Kumori being Elaine's/Harry daughter?(edited)
[11:10 AM] spaghettimonster: @Boustrophedonic stop giving him ideas
[11:10 AM] Boustrophedonic: Any kid they'd have would be about 25
[11:10 AM] raidem: I like it.
[11:10 AM] Boustrophedonic: If my math is right
[11:10 AM] ZQKing: I mean, let's go with a rough estimate that the last time they were together he was 16 or younger, she'd be in her twenties or close to thirties
[11:10 AM] ZQKing: nowhere near strong enough to ahve the kind of juice kumori has
[11:11 AM] ZQKing: Unless t i m e t r a v e l
[11:11 AM] raidem: It would fit with WOJL about Kumori's identity cause Harry pain.
[11:11 AM] Boustrophedonic: Harry was 25ish in Storm front
[11:11 AM] ZQKing: Wish we could find a source on the WOJ rai
[11:11 AM] raidem: I'll search google.
[11:12 AM] Boustrophedonic: @ZQKing or magical deals/natural talent/being the daughter of two Starborn
[11:14 AM] raidem: It makes sense.  Hey it is a new theory  based on my speculation about Elaine having a child with Harry, and then Boustrophedonic adding it is Kumori
[11:14 AM] Boustrophedonic: I have heard dumber theories on Kumori's identity(edited)
[11:14 AM] raidem: We and Boustrophedonic came up with a new theory (he did the Kumori part).
[11:14 AM] raidem: I like it.(edited)
[11:15 AM] raidem: I'll add it to the Forum.
[11:16 AM] raidem: Bous, you can add it to reddit if you want
[11:16 AM] Boustrophedonic: I was mostly fucking around,
[11:17 AM] raidem: It would also explain why people, Justin, brought two potential Starborn together.
[11:17 AM] raidem: And he wanted both to develop a sexual relationship.
[11:17 AM] raidem: It follows then that someone had a possible plan whereby Elaine would get pregnant.
[11:18 AM] raidem: It just depends on whether or not Harry and Elaine had sufficient time to do so.
[11:18 AM] Boustrophedonic: It hinges on the "Cowl=Justin" theory, where I believe that cowl is actually Simon
[11:18 AM] raidem: It works then too.
[11:18 AM] raidem: It also will piss off Harry all the more.
[11:19 AM] raidem: IdHarry tells Harry to protect the offspring.
[11:21 AM] Boustrophedonic: Oh duh, Simon and Justin used to work together

raidem:
Now, I'm thinking maybe that Faith Astor is Harry and Elaine's daughter.
We know that Faith Astor kicks off the BAT, now we may know why she might be so important.
: There were already theories that had Faith Astor as Kumori. This just links Faith to be Harry's daughter.  I had long ago suggested that Faith Astor was Harry's daughter, but I linked her to a future child of Harry's.
I had argued that Harry sort of named "Faith" in Restoration of Faith.

Bacchus:
if so maybe the reason Elaine stayed home was due to morning sickness.
it would also explain why she didn't have the courage to face the white council as Dresden did when she hadn't violated any laws at all, and was a clear victim
in her place being pregnant and the extreme drive a mother has to protect her offspring would tip the scales to completely hiding from the white council.

raidem:
I hadn't thought of the 'morning sickness.'

Faith Astor
parent’s dream at eight or nine years old, with her dimples and dark pigtails—even in her street-stained schoolgirl’s uniform. And she had strong legs.
“Ten,” shouted the girl, furious. “I’m ten, you insensitive jerk!” She started kicking again, and I kept myself more or less out of the way of her feet.

Harry's duster: “It belongs on the set of El Dorado,” she snapped. “Who are you supposed to be, Ichabod Crane or the Marlboro Man?” I snorted. “I’m a wizard.”
“So you can vapor him?” she asked, her voice unsteady. “Hell, no. So we can run.” “But what about . . . ?” She touched the ring on my hand. “I lied, kid.” “What!?” “I lied,” I repeated. “I’m not a good liar, but trolls aren’t too bright. It was just a light show, but he fell for it, and that’s all that counts.”
“So go on. I’ll walk up to the police after you’re gone. Or something.” She was lying. I’m not sure how I could tell, but I could.

I took a breath, in the dark, and asked, “What’s your name?” She was silent for a moment and then said, in a very uncertain voice, “Faith.”
“Faith,” I said. I smiled, so that she could hear it. “My name’s Harry Dresden.” “Hi,” she said, her voice a whisper. “Hi. Have you ever seen something like this?” I cupped my hand, summoned some of the last dregs of my power, and cast a warm, glowing light into the ring on my right hand. It lit Faith’s face, and I could see on her smooth cheeks the streaks of the tears I had not heard. She shook her head.

This reminds me of IdHarry's command "protect the offspring."
Her fingers felt very small and very warm inside of mine, and a fierce surge of determination coursed through me. No matter what happened, I would let no harm come to this child.

raidem:
EG points out a wrinkle in the timeline and I respond with a counterpoint that Elaine sought shelter from Titania in Summer. The nevernever may have different rates of time in relation to Earth time so the (Harry/Elaine child being Faith can't be rules out via Earth timeline.)

[12:54 PM] -EG-: Because everyone who has a kid is a good parent, or has that kid for the right reasons?
"I fell silent for several paces as I carried her. It was hard to hear that from a kid. A ten-year-old girl's world should be full of music and giggling and notes and dolls and dreams-not harsh, barren, jaded reality." -Restoration of Faith
The timeline has this story at 2 or 3 years prior to Storm Front. Making him 22-23 years old. Which means Elaine would have had to have given birth at 12 or 13, and that they had sex at 12 or 13. These two were inseparable growing up, Harry's not gonna notice her pregnant, the first girl he ever loved?
Just because Harry stuck it in something doesn't mean he's gonna have a kid everytime.(edited)
[12:57 PM] ZQKing: Good eye n the timeline.
[1:01 PM] raidem: Yep, the timeline screws the theory up for Faith Astor, unless she gets placed in the nevernever.
[1:01 PM] raidem: We do know Elaine sought shelter from Titania.
[1:02 PM] raidem: So, Elaine could be pregnant at 16, goes to the nevernever and Faith Astor's apparent age between nevernever and when she resorts to Earth Time is 10 years at time of Restoration of Faith.(edited)
[1:07 PM] raidem: Actually, another thing from Amber series is the fact that these differences in rates of time in the shadows vs Amber allows for main characters to encounter their great grandchildren
[1:08 PM] raidem: So, it wouldn't be a stretch to figure that there is some age distortion in the background with regard to some of Harry's potential progeny. And, this doesn't even require time travel, just visits/some life within the nevernever.(edited)

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