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jonas:

--- Quote ---I wasn't clear. I'm not saying that the stories are easy to tell, I'm saying that time travel, as a plot device, is an easy way to handwave literally any ongoing mystery in a long-running series.
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I consider the two one and the same, if your using a TT plot device and it is not well written into a logical set up then yea, it's easy to justify just about anything. Which is pretty much the same for anything you can guess without a logical set up though. TT is no more easy a handwaver than it is to write it in. It's either there, or it's not, it either matches one linear attempt or it's a crapshoot. The closed loop nature of the DF can be pointed to in the 'mistakes' that were caught but intentionally never changed, the dreams with Mandela effect connotations, the direct explanation in PG of how to effect TT without breaking the universe by direct paradox and choice and twinning universes.

Though I admit the conclusions from these things can vary wildly between likely and where the F did that idea come from? lol.

Talby16:
Another explanation is that Harry bringing in the Archive is a best case scenario for the Nickleheads. Convincing or coercing Marcone to take up a coin may have been enough of a prize for Nic to start the operation. By kidnapping Marcone in Chicago they increased their chances to involve Harry just by Chicago being his turf. In addition though, a complaint must be lodged by an Accords member. In Chicago, as far as we know, that is Harry. By breaking the Accords and involving Mab they increased their chances of involving Harry because Mab has been known to use Harry before. The Nickleheads had a better than average chance of involving Harry in their operation by my estimate. The odds of Harry choosing Archive as the mediator are also better than average given his past history with her. Nic had a good chance of having the operation come off as it did in the book.

Now, there are a lot of moving parts in this plan and some things certainly could have happened to derail Nic's operation. However, if you start from the premise that just securing Marcone was an acceptable outcome, then it certainly lessens the overall risk and makes the plan a lot more viable because even if Harry didn't become involved or chose a different mediator the Nickleheads could have retreated to their lair with Marcone and still counted it a victory.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: Talby16 on February 13, 2018, 08:30:24 PM ---Another explanation is that Harry bringing in the Archive is a best case scenario for the Nickleheads. Convincing or coercing Marcone to take up a coin may have been enough of a prize for Nic to start the operation. By kidnapping Marcone in Chicago they increased their chances to involve Harry just by Chicago being his turf. In addition though, a complaint must be lodged by an Accords member. In Chicago, as far as we know, that is Harry. By breaking the Accords and involving Mab they increased their chances of involving Harry because Mab has been known to use Harry before. The Nickleheads had a better than average chance of involving Harry in their operation by my estimate. The odds of Harry choosing Archive as the mediator are also better than average given his past history with her. Nic had a good chance of having the operation come off as it did in the book.

Now, there are a lot of moving parts in this plan and some things certainly could have happened to derail Nic's operation. However, if you start from the premise that just securing Marcone was an acceptable outcome, then it certainly lessens the overall risk and makes the plan a lot more viable because even if Harry didn't become involved or chose a different mediator the Nickleheads could have retreated to their lair with Marcone and still counted it a victory.

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Hmm, so if Marcone was the base level prize and Ivy was just a possibility, it could jive.  It still represents a metric f*ckton of wasted resources on a vague possibility, given that it took Lucifer Himself to fuel the huge Circles that were only needed for Ivy, a cost equivalent to having to deal with a Soul fire-empowered Dresden there-after.   

prince lotore:
I looked it as guard would not bring her failures to the all father and make it his problem to fix.

raidem:
Someone had mentioned the death Angel as lash in ghost story.
What if uriel didn't just give Harry assistance via solitude but created something more from the lash that got wings.  We know Bonnie formed from the remnants of lash but it could be possible that the shadow of lash itself got an upgrade at the end of white knight. Uriel then poured a ton of power into this lower angelic lash to form the death Angel.  This would mean uriels gift to Harry isn't equal to hells donation of power but only part of uriels balancing act.

Side note: wojl: mab won big in small favor and the implication was it partly stems from predicting Harry correctly.

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