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Queen Succession Rules
Arjan:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 17, 2018, 09:58:29 PM ---Nicely laid out. It paints a different picture than mine though I disagree with the conclusions.
I agree it depends on what the mantle considers not killable. I simply stated my opinion on the matter based on some definitions.
The previously stated "what the mantle considers not killlable" still applies.
If it is as you argue, coupled with an idea someone else suggested that the Knight could impregnate the Lady, then a impregnated Lady may be allowed by the defense system.
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If the knight could Fix would have done so and Lilly would have gotten her family. Maeve would have been a different person as well.
It would not make sense to me. The knight can not.
--- Quote ---This could be a case in which Murphy impregnated by the Knight, in a TT event, attracts the Lady mantle under right circumstance. The defense mechanism allows the fetus through. This combined with my idea regarding Lady mantle being preserved up until such time she gives birth then would allow for a Murphy to be pregnant with Harry's child, TT into the past, acquire the Lady mantle, keep it until she can acquire the Queen mantle, then give birth. I guess that would be how I'd have to fit this piece into the story for Murphy/Mab/Harry/Marcone to work. It would be much easier if she wasn't pregnant but I like the idea that she is.
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raidem:
--- Quote ---If the knight could Fix would have done so and Lilly would have gotten her family. Maeve would have been a different person as well.
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I agree on second thought. To keep arguing the Knight could impregnate the Lady is a fools errand. That is joshed. It may be possible though for the Knight to have sex but not conceive with the Lady, or as was suggested the defense mechanism takes care of the fertilized egg.
--- Quote ---It would not make sense to me. The knight can not.
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I've slight amended the following and pointed out that it is a slightly different case than what was suggested previously. This isn't Knight having sex with Lady so the knight can not doesn't really apply.
--- Quote ---This is a case in which the Knight impregnates a non Lady Murphy, who later gets the Lady mantle. And, because the fetus was conceived by the Knight (or per Mother Winter's orders), the Lady mantle allows fetus through due to this special case for whatever reason. This combined with my idea regarding Lady mantle being preserved up until such time she gives birth then it would allow for a Murphy to be pregnant with Harry's child, TT into the past, acquire the Lady mantle, keep it until she can acquire the Queen mantle, then give birth. I guess that would be how I'd have to fit this piece into the story for Murphy/Mab/Harry/Marcone to work. It would be much easier if she wasn't pregnant but I like the idea that she is.
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Just because the Winter Lady mantle, as you argue, views the fertilized egg or fetus as killable, it doesn't mean that it has to. And, it may proceed in the fashion I've argued before where it wouldn't kill it in any event.
Arjan:
I think being sexually frustrated is part of the Sidhe Lady experience so a knight loophole is out of question.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 18, 2018, 04:50:10 AM ---I think being sexually frustrated is part of the Sidhe Lady experience so a knight loophole is out of question.
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Na see I figured this out too talking on facebook with others. It's summers opposition to Winter that changes the role and the outcome, the Winter Consort is meant to take the Lady, But Summer is inherently different. It focus's more upon the Husbandry aspect in the knight. The way Fix doted on her, followed her commands with a genuine affection, worried over her when she was emotional even. All the signs are there. So idk what precise things the Summer Lady has going for her celibacy. But the Knight wouldn't push. Notice also such suggestions are what drives him into a heat fighting Dresden. Take a look again at the previous Knight, Reul and his methods of protecting and shielding others. His drives are different.
--- Quote ---To keep arguing the Knight could impregnate the Lady is a fools errand.
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*doffs hat dramatically* Just don't call me Quinten Coldwater and I shan't be offended.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: jonas on January 18, 2018, 08:02:36 AM ---Na see I figured this out too talking on facebook with others. It's summers opposition to Winter that changes the role and the outcome, the Winter Consort is meant to take the Lady, But Summer is inherently different. It focus's more upon the Husbandry aspect in the knight. The way Fix doted on her, followed her commands with a genuine affection, worried over her when she was emotional even. All the signs are there. So idk what precise things the Summer Lady has going for her celibacy. But the Knight wouldn't push. Notice also such suggestions are what drives him into a heat fighting Dresden. Take a look again at the previous Knight, Reul and his methods of protecting and shielding others. His drives are different.
*doffs hat dramatically* Just don't call me Quinten Coldwater and I shan't be offended.
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Of course the expression is different. Lilly was frustrated about not being able to get children, start and raise a family. Maeve was just frustrated sexually.
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