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Making things on DR
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Rasins on January 10, 2018, 07:38:37 PM ---I'd like to see it, but creating a "walkie-talkie" to DR I could see having serious trouble. DR being surrounded by water being one of them. It's being set up to hold things in, and hold things out being another.
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Well the pair of stones he used as a communicator with Ebenzar didn't seem bothered by having the Atlantic Ocean in between them. And the spirit didn't seem bothered by projecting a message to Harry in GS despite him being off the island, so communication is probably feasible within the limits of what Demonreach considers it important to communicate to the Warden.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: RobReece on January 19, 2018, 10:47:46 PM ---I can see your point of view, and after the time that Harry's spent there since that event, I'd agree with Alfred, (by this time, Harry might even be able to have the circle up and still "know" what was happening inside). But I still go with that it was a pre-set response, the Lady's wanted a circle, but I'm sticking with that this circle was a function of the Island, not Lily. I think that Lily was creating a circle, but she hadn't necessarily planned on that circle being the response.
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I agree with that entirely. Im just trying to say there is a big difference between Lily activating a pre-existing element of the Island and Alfred exercising initiative with those structures. It's the same division of Power vs Authority that stopped him from Imprisoning Shagnasty even though he actively hated him, and the same reason Im sure that Alfred could free the inmates (because he literally is the walls and doors and locks) but he never Would without an outside agent (ideally the Warden) making the Choice and initiating the process.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on January 22, 2018, 01:30:32 PM ---I agree with that entirely. Im just trying to say there is a big difference between Lily activating a pre-existing element of the Island and Alfred exercising initiative with those structures. It's the same division of Power vs Authority that stopped him from Imprisoning Shagnasty even though he actively hated him, and the same reason Im sure that Alfred could free the inmates (because he literally is the walls and doors and locks) but he never Would without an outside agent (ideally the Warden) making the Choice and initiating the process.
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It's kinda a psychology/construct thing in my mind, She activated preconstructed wards designed to be used by Merlin to entrap a being while Alfred snatches them up. His main learned goal of the experience is to ensnare that which is summoned by the Warden, Harry summoned Mab but that was not his intention. I think she intentionally manifested in the sky to create a separation from DR even if she was still contained in it's sphere of influence. Notice she sets down only after talking to DR? It was like a dog overthinking what was a trained response(Harry's influence?)
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on January 22, 2018, 01:46:10 PM ---It's kinda a psychology/construct thing in my mind, She activated preconstructed wards designed to be used by Merlin to entrap a being while Alfred snatches them up. His main learned goal of the experience is to ensnare that which is summoned by the Warden, Harry summoned Mab but that was not his intention. I think she intentionally manifested in the sky to create a separation from DR even if she was still contained in it's sphere of influence. Notice she sets down only after talking to DR? It was like a dog overthinking what was a trained response(Harry's influence?)
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This will sound like a nitpick but I think it hits the crux of my Point: She touched down only /After/ she received permission from The Warden. Then she touched down and only then did she address Alfred directly. This is key, because it shows how it's The Warden who has to make teh actual decisions, not Alfred.
Or in this case, a duped Lady who was hacking the Island systems.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on January 22, 2018, 01:58:52 PM ---This will sound like a nitpick but I think it hits the crux of my Point: She touched down only /After/ she received permission from The Warden. Then she touched down and only then did she address Alfred directly. This is key, because it shows how it's The Warden who has to make teh actual decisions, not Alfred.
Or in this case, a duped Lady who was hacking the Island systems.
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My point is he only hesitated because he could tell that was not his intention. He had other choices that could have been made without the Wardens express permission. It's in his 'programing'.
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