The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Nick's Goal in the Vault
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on December 29, 2017, 03:21:17 PM ---I pointed out the same thing in a thread a while ago (that Harry had it for the last bits of the Hades part of the book and thus couldn't lose), but I think he gives them all to Michael before heading to the Carpenter house, doesn't he?
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Great minds think alike. I'm not sure about the disposition of the remaining artifacts vis-a-vis Casa di Carpenter. I'll probably check at some point this weekend if nobody else does it for me, because I'm feeling particularly lazy at the moment.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on December 28, 2017, 08:51:37 PM ---I don't think that Mab not telling Harry was a test. You don't test someone like that over something so serious because it's no longer a test, it's real. My guess is either she didn't see a reason to tell him, or even him knowing would be worse than not knowing, or part of the deal with Nicodemus meant she could not tell Harry the nature of the artifacts.
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You are forgetting what Hades told Harry, the process of inquiring the artifacts/weapons is a test... As in only the strongest and smartest is good enough to end up with them, this is the safe guard.. There are no cheat sheets, for the war to come Mab wants her Knight to be the smartest and the brightest and holding the weapons.. Nick thinks he is the smartest and the strongest, so he thinks he is being clever just asking for the Grail, figuring he will then easily get the rest of the artifacts.. Mab is gambling that Harry is the smartest and the strongest, so he will end up with the weapons, and if not, he dies, she looks for another Knight... Nic loses because if Harry fails he isn't going to get the weapons.. If Nic really was the smartest and the strongest he wouldn't have needed to call in the favor in the first place to use Mab's Knight.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 31, 2017, 04:05:19 PM ---
You are forgetting what Hades told Harry, the process of inquiring the artifacts/weapons is a test... As in only the strongest and smartest is good enough to end up with them, this is the safe guard.. There are no cheat sheets, for the war to come Mab wants her Knight to be the smartest and the brightest and holding the weapons.. Nick thinks he is the smartest and the strongest, so he thinks he is being clever just asking for the Grail, figuring he will then easily get the rest of the artifacts.. Mab is gambling that Harry is the smartest and the strongest, so he will end up with the weapons, and if not, he dies, she looks for another Knight... Nic loses because if Harry fails he isn't going to get the weapons.. If Nic really was the smartest and the strongest he wouldn't have needed to call in the favor in the first place to use Mab's Knight.
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Mab testing Harry is implying she does not believe him capable yet... I believe she sent him on this mission (setting up Nicodemus to make the attempt) because she believed he would succeed, and get her revenge, not as a test. It was clear by the end of the book she set up Nicodemus to get revenge. I don't see Mab attempting revenge lightly. If she's gonna try, she plans on winning. So again, not a test.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on December 31, 2017, 07:23:06 PM ---Mab testing Harry is implying she does not believe him capable yet... I believe she sent him on this mission (setting up Nicodemus to make the attempt) because she believed he would succeed, and get her revenge, not as a test. It was clear by the end of the book she set up Nicodemus to get revenge. I don't see Mab attempting revenge lightly. If she's gonna try, she plans on winning. So again, not a test.
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She would get her revenge in any case, even if Harry failed to get the weapons, simply because her object was to break Nic which she did.'
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 31, 2017, 10:04:23 PM ---
She would get her revenge in any case, even if Harry failed to get the weapons, simply because her object was to break Nic which she did.'
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If Harry had failed Nic's daughter would not have been sacrificed because the ice test was before the human sacrifice. Nicodemus would have been upset but Harry Dresden would have been dead (a big plus for Nicodemus), and Mab would have still owed him a favor + interest for her failure to keep her end of the bargain.
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