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Nick's Goal in the Vault

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Rasins:
Here's a question .... Why didn't Nick reveal that he wanted more than just the Grail?  He told the group that much, why not say he wanted all of the relics of the Crucifixion?  I know he doesn't want to reveal too much to his enemies, but if he had said he wanted all of them, then Harry would have been obligated give him all of them and not just the Grail.

When he told Harry and crew about what he was wanting, Harry didn't know they were weapons, so it could have been wrapped up in the need to fulfill the obligation to Mab.

Mr. Death:
Nicodemus is probably one of those guys that never tells anyone the full extent of his plans (not unlike wizards, really). My best guess is whatever he had planned for all five artifacts was something he didn't want anyone else figuring out.

Suffice to say, whatever he can do with all five is going to be monumentally worse than what he could do with just the Grail. And letting people figure out and speculate what that might be is practically an invitation for someone to try and stop him.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Rasins on December 28, 2017, 04:33:59 PM ---Here's a question .... Why didn't Nick reveal that he wanted more than just the Grail?  He told the group that much, why not say he wanted all of the relics of the Crucifixion?  I know he doesn't want to reveal too much to his enemies, but if he had said he wanted all of them, then Harry would have been obligated give him all of them and not just the Grail.

When he told Harry and crew about what he was wanting, Harry didn't know they were weapons, so it could have been wrapped up in the need to fulfill the obligation to Mab.

--- End quote ---

Because if he did, the whole mission wouldn't have happened, or that is what he was thinking.   Personally I think it was like a line from "The Lion In Winter..."   Nic knows they were all weapons, Mab knows that they are all weapons, and Nic knows that Mab knows..."  The only one who didn't was Harry, who Mab happened to be testing further in my opinion... Don't be shocked if she is very aware that Harry pocketed the rest of the weapons and that they are just where she wants them...

Talby16:
Nic could have told Harry and thus obligated him to help secure all the artifacts, however, he had no way of predicting how Harry would react to that information. If Harry knew that 5 powerful religious artifacts were at stake he might have worked harder to derail the plan along the way. Even at the cost of his own life if he thought the keeping them out of Nic's hands was worth it. Nic has seen how Harry reacts with regards to one artifact (the Shroud) and thus has a baseline to measure Harry's actions/motivations by. Throwing the 5 artifact info out into the open would drastically alter Harry's plans from the get go in my opinion.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Mira on December 28, 2017, 06:18:09 PM ---Because if he did, the whole mission wouldn't have happened, or that is what he was thinking.   Personally I think it was like a line from "The Lion In Winter..."   Nic knows they were all weapons, Mab knows that they are all weapons, and Nic knows that Mab knows..."  The only one who didn't was Harry, who Mab happened to be testing further in my opinion... Don't be shocked if she is very aware that Harry pocketed the rest of the weapons and that they are just where she wants them...

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I don't think that Mab not telling Harry was a test.  You don't test someone like that over something so serious because it's no longer a test, it's real.  My guess is either she didn't see a reason to tell him, or even him knowing would be worse than not knowing, or part of the deal with Nicodemus meant she could not tell Harry the nature of the artifacts.

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