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Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 13, 2017, 02:19:31 PM ---
Since when does the person who starts the attacks make the decision about war or peace ? It's the choice of how to respond that determines whether that is a war.
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Since forever. Once the attack is made, the war has begun. The Red Court attacked the White Council via pretext, the arrangement of the pretext was in itself an attack on the Council. The Council could either defend themselves, or not, but war they had. Failure to respond might have caused the Court to delay things a very little while, until they could rig another pretext, but that's all.
In the meantime, the entire supernatural world would have seen a single clear lesson in the failure to respond: The Council feared the Court. So the number of allies for the Reds would have multiplied.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 16, 2017, 05:38:56 PM ---Same reaction applies here. I think Outsiders are fundamentally more alien than that, and thinking of such anthropocentric concepts as fear or despair as defining their purpose and nature rather than merely being tools they use feels wrong; mind you, I am still less than entirely happy with how emotionally human Jim has had Faerie turn out to be, it feels both jarring with earlier books and to lessen their impact, to me. The DV is more impressive if it is bigger and more complex than anything human nature can be the measure of.
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I rememder you even denied the fairy had any emotions at all even after I quoted Lea in changes who explicitly stated it was Shame what drove her to Mab for help.
Simple emotions like fear and hunger have to be very old in evolution because they are the logical drivers for any action. The Sidhe are all human based, they have to comply to human story telling in some way and magic is connected to emotions. It stands to reason the they are highly emotional creatures. They even have extra emotions we don’t feel that much like a sense of balance.
The outsiders must have some sort of motivation to act as they do, they act like they are directed and plan things and we can communicate with them.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 29, 2017, 08:48:33 PM ---Like, you know, being willing to let the world burn to save his daughter? (We have WoJ that Harry absolutely meant that at the time.)
Maybe it's a product of growing up in an environment with a very real threat of violence from ideological fanatics, but when I read that sequence, my sympathies were absolutely with the world. It constantly bemuses me how many readers sympathise with Harry in that scene even when he is clearly saying "I consider you personally and all your loved ones acceptable collateral damage so long as I get what I care about" to everyone else in the world. The people I have heard that from before have not been ones I could consider good or sympathetic.
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Harry's "Let the world burn" attitude is, in fact, considered as "evil" by the standards of the dresdenverse. Uriel made that clear in GS, and Harry is still suffering the consequences of that particular bad karma even now.
Evil though it may be, but it is still deserving of sympathies. The greatest difference between Harry's kind of "let the world burn" and Nicodemous's "sacrifices to save the world" is explain in book 10. When Harry burns the world, he burns himself along with it, marshmellow notwithstanding. when Nicodemous did it, he look from afar and enjoys the benefits of those sacrifices.
Again, it does not make Harry's attitude "good". It is still "evil", but sympathy is still deserve.
If we compare things to "threat of violence from ideological fanatics" you mentioned: Harry is that guy who got brainwashed or blackmailed or whatever and carry the suicide bomb and die for his beliefs, wrong though it may be, While Nicodemous is the freaking mastermind.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on December 19, 2017, 07:28:15 AM ---Harry's "Let the world burn" attitude is, in fact, considered as "evil" by the standards of the dresdenverse. Uriel made that clear in GS, and Harry is still suffering the consequences of that particular bad karma even now.
Evil though it may be, but it is still deserving of sympathies. The greatest difference between Harry's kind of "let the world burn" and Nicodemous's "sacrifices to save the world" is explain in book 10. When Harry burns the world, he burns himself along with it, marshmellow notwithstanding. when Nicodemous did it, he look from afar and enjoys the benefits of those sacrifices.
Again, it does not make Harry's attitude "good". It is still "evil", but sympathy is still deserve.
If we compare things to "threat of violence from ideological fanatics" you mentioned: Harry is that guy who got brainwashed or blackmailed or whatever and carry the suicide bomb and die for his beliefs, wrong though it may be, While Nicodemous is the freaking mastermind.
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Anduriel Actually. Nicodemus is just his victim. That is why Michael still tried to save him.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 19, 2017, 08:41:29 AM ---Anduriel Actually. Nicodemus is just his victim. That is why Michael still tried to save him.
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I have to borrow Harry's words for this from book 5. Nicodemous is no victim, he is a freaking collaborator.
In this enterprise of evil the fallen conducted, saying that Nick has a 50% share may not be accurate, but it won't be too much of an exaggeration either.
Michael himself does not deny the fact that the likes of Nicodemous and Cassius are collaborators. He is just duty bound to saved them regardless.
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