Author Topic: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.  (Read 4863 times)

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Why did Uriel pick that time to bring Harry back?
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 03:18:55 PM »
It provided enough time to maximize the impact of the loss of Harry on his friends so that Harry could see what he had done to them while still giving Harry time to stop Corpsetaker.
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2017, 04:56:28 PM »
It could also have been timed for Mab to be able to provide recovery before Halloween, when a Nemfected Maeve had to be taken off the board.
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 10:44:13 PM »
What other events within the book could be a factor in timing his return. Maybe, Forthill's near death.
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 03:19:17 PM »
What other events within the book could be a factor in timing his return. Maybe, Forthill's near death.

I assumed it was because A) Mab was starting to fail, B) Corpsetaker was about to do her thing and Morty was going to die, C) Molly was about to completely fall off the edge of the freakin' universe if she didn't get some closure on Harry's death, and D) Fitz was going to be killed. If Harry's not incorporeal, Fitz is killed but good in the first dozen chapters.

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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2017, 05:52:35 PM »


    Uriel didn't pick that time, it was more of Harry learning the lesson he needed for him to learn, then he could come back.

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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2017, 07:31:07 PM »

    Uriel didn't pick that time, it was more of Harry learning the lesson he needed for him to learn, then he could come back.

This.

Remember it was Jack who turned Harry on to three of his friends being in "danger"?  The actual form that danger takes makes no matter, so Forthill's danger, or Corpstakers' rise have nothing to do with it.

So it could have been any time.
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2017, 10:22:53 PM »
Optimum time to oppose corpsetaker and/or otherwise succeed in what you can do.    Uriel can see probabilities, so he would make sure Harry returned with the best chance of a best outcome.   I suspect the timing was not completely under uriel's choice though -- I believe uriel had to work within the constraints of the "laws of magical physics". 

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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 11:15:46 PM »
Some Sun Tzu variation like "a enemy is most vulnerable as they are preparing to strike."
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 08:51:54 PM »
Optimum timing for the magic words "She cannot change who you are" to sink in and convince Harry what they are meant to convince him; all the time Mab and Uriel both are entirely successful lining Harry up to choose to do what they need him to do while still convinced he's making his own choices. He gets to blow steam and think he has the ability to refuse and that makes him much more pliable, compared to the state of mind he was revealed in GS to have been in during Changes, of being absolutely sure he could not affect losing himself in the evil of the Winter Knight and therefore trying to arrange his own death.

(And before this thread goes off into saying that can't be the case, any argument that Mab is prevented from manipulating the choices Harry makes runs aground on her actively preventing him from having the choice of using his blasting rod, otherwise one of his favourite combat tactics, during SmF by concealing it from his memory for much of the book.  Even when Harry is directly shown that there is a hole in his mind there, he cannot get that memory back by force of will; it takes Michael praying for help for him to do so.  We have yet to see any indication that Mab got any trouble for that, or that that's outside her legitimate rules of engagement.)
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 10:36:53 PM »
With a flexible creativity and a stubborn indifference to others, most actions can be deemed justifiable while cohering to set parameters.
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 07:36:37 PM »
With a flexible creativity and a stubborn indifference to others, most actions can be deemed justifiable while cohering to set parameters.

Wow, that was complicated.  Had to read it 4 times before I got it.
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2017, 08:07:30 PM »
With a flexible creativity and a stubborn indifference to others, most actions can be deemed justifiable while cohering to set parameters.
is that the same as "people can always rationalize their actions?"

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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 08:19:52 PM »
More or less so, sometimes I excell at BULL$#!+!
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Re: Unsolved Mystery Book13 You picked a fine time to bring me, Uriel.
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2017, 04:49:01 PM »
I've been accused of that a few times myself.
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