The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Unsolved Mystery Book6 Lord Raith
Kindler:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 15, 2017, 10:56:10 PM ---I agree that situation and choice made Harry one of the more reclusive members of the Council with obvious vindication from TC. As far as Elaine being a willing accomplice to Justin or a victim; I am uncertain.
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In my opinion, whether she was fully enthralled or not isn't really relevant. Even if you remove that from the equation, I don't think that she could have been willing to go along with Justin, at least not fairly. She was abused and manipulated, threatened to be tossed back into the system that had made her miserable, and promised rewards, safety, companionship, and acceptance to go with Justin, all at the tender age of sixteen. Fear combined with a sense of obligation will change your perceived choices. In short, I don't think Elaine can ever be fairly described as a willing accomplice, regardless of magical influence, simply because her circumstances conspired specifically to eliminate or influence her will.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Kindler on November 20, 2017, 03:12:42 PM --- She was abused and manipulated, threatened to be tossed back into the system that had made her miserable, and promised rewards, safety, companionship, and acceptance to go with Justin, all at the tender age of sixteen.
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I don't recall any definite evidence that she was threatened or manipulated in that way; Harry tends to assume she was treated the same way he was but that isn't actually evidence.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 20, 2017, 08:24:38 PM ---I don't recall any definite evidence that she was threatened or manipulated in that way; Harry tends to assume she was treated the same way he was but that isn't actually evidence.
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There is enough evidence that she was enthralled anyway so that is enough for me.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 20, 2017, 08:56:20 PM ---There is enough evidence that she was enthralled anyway so that is enough for me.
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I'm of the opinion she's the reason for the insert about 'fine thralldom' in BR. She's been a victim of it for years and doesn't even know perhaps.
wardenferry419:
Kumori is enthralled Elaine persona?
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