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Unsolved Mystery Book6 Lord Raith
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 20, 2017, 08:56:20 PM ---There is enough evidence that she was enthralled anyway so that is enough for me.
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What evidence ?
Harry's memory in GS explicitly textually calls out a potential in-character other reason for her to have been behaving the way she was there without enthralling being involved.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 21, 2017, 02:24:36 AM ---What evidence ?
Harry's memory in GS explicitly textually calls out a potential in-character other reason for her to have been behaving the way she was there without enthralling being involved.
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As theoretical possibility, not as most likely explanation. If one goes for what is remotely possible we are sure of nothing.
There are loads of circumstancial evidence supporting it to begin with the fact that Justin tried to do it with Harry who was also already loyal to Justin but apparently loyalty was not enough. We have no reason to disbelieve Elaines claim especially since she describes the mental after effects of entrallment much like Lucio did later.
Lea told Harry he had understood Justin perfectly. Harry and Elaine had soulgazed and they still had a spiritual connection in white night. Justin was a warlock who at that time probably thought breaking the law was a solution for everything.
There were really no reasons for Justin not to enthrall Elaine except for those reasons not to enthrall Harry. He had motive and opportunity and if Elaine was not enthralled he would have waited untill he could have handled Harry alone as he did with Elaine because he could never have been certain about her loyalty in those circumstances whatever she said, it would just have been an extra complication to avoid.
wardenferry419:
Elaine often acts as if she is carrrying some emotional scarring and is nearly Harry's equal to resisting authority and control. It is hard to get a read on her. Sometimes, she seems to act like a rabbit trying to figure out which way to hop away and sometimes she has a cat chasing a mouse mood.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 21, 2017, 09:44:28 AM ---Elaine often acts as if she is carrrying some emotional scarring and is nearly Harry's equal to resisting authority and control. It is hard to get a read on her. Sometimes, she seems to act like a rabbit trying to figure out which way to hop away and sometimes she has a cat chasing a mouse mood.
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My interpretation of Elaine is that she had been used and abused by everyone around her—the orphanage system, Justin, and then Summer—for so long that she's pretty messed up by the time we see her in Summer Knight. Harry lucked out and managed to get to Ebenezer, someone who (though we find out later that he was a bit hypocritical about black magic) cared enough about him to let him make his own choices. I don't think Elaine was ever able to do anything strictly on her own until the end of Summer Knight (not counting her early adolescence, because we don't know anything about her until she's with Justin).
For me, her biggest tell is that the second she gets some real freedom, she models her life after Harry's, the closest thing she has to someone she trusts. Even though she apparently has a choice, she chooses the path someone else did.
Obviously, this goes out the window if you find out that she had hitched herself to Cowl's wagon, so to speak, and only opened up shop on the West Coast after fleeing the Darkhallow at the end of Dead Beat. Do we have a timeline for when she started advertising? (Also, how did she get her PI license? Is she licensed at all? It's a nightmare to get it here in New York—you basically need to be law enforcement first, like Vince Graver. Dresden himself apprenticed with Nick before he got his, so I'd imagine that it'd take at least a year of full time apprenticeship, which would kind of (unfortunately) fit the timeline of Dead Beat, plus one year for apprenticeship, plus one year until White Night, when Ramirez comments that he'd found her and tested her).
Anyway, I know a lot of people find Elaine to be shifty, but I don't, at least not specifically. I see her as someone who's had a really sad life and is trying to do the best she can moving forward.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 21, 2017, 04:03:37 AM ---We have no reason to disbelieve Elaines claim especially since she describes the mental after effects of entrallment much like Lucio did later.
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The reason we have to disbelieve her is that she spends two-thirds of SK misleading Harry, to point him at the Mothers so he will retrieve the Unravelling. And that so far the results of her actions have left her with the Paranet trusting her and working with her.
--- Quote --- He had motive and opportunity and if Elaine was not enthralled he would have waited untill he could have handled Harry alone as he did with Elaine because he could never have been certain about her loyalty in those circumstances whatever she said,
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Why on earth not ?
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