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Will Harry meet the real Maeve?
Kindler:
See, that's one I have a lot of trouble picturing. There's just no way that Harry chooses to not save Susan, in my opinion. Harry just does it, because it's not really a question. I'd think that the choice would be presented more as a choice rather than the thing Harry does next, if that makes sense.
I left out a big, big, BIG alternate piece of my idea that I completely forgot to articulate because I'm not as smart as I think I am: Harry chooses to go with Lea in the graveyard rather than trying to use the Sword to get out of it. Susan goes, gets eaten, badness happens. Harry gets out of being a hound some other way, but the Nemesis infection goes elsewhere—somewhere way worse, like to Mr. Ferro—because Lea's busy with her new toy, the war is delayed long enough for the sucker punch to land hard, and Harry spends the following decade fighting and losing.
Rasins:
Kindler - the only hang up I have with that is that it's not close enough to the end of the book, based on what Jim said.
I'm not saying it can't be, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 01, 2017, 06:47:39 PM ---Did I imply it was all powerful?
A spiritual infection is nothing new. Touching a denarian coin is enough to infect you and Lash did change Harry though not in the way intended.
Nemesis is also a spiritual infection that can change your nature, your spirit. It gives Maeve the ability to lie which she s against her nature. Her nature, her spirit was changed nu the infection. And that infection was carried nu an object of power.
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Corrupting a person, and a spirit/shade/soul are different things. If Harry's body is destroyed, his soul carries on. Why would corrupting a persons mind corrupt their spirit/shade/soul? Leah was saved by Mab from Nemesis. Was her spirit purified? why?
Can you show evidence that a person can be corrupted beyond the grave from Nemesis?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on November 02, 2017, 06:42:12 PM ---Corrupting a person, and a spirit/shade/soul are different things. If Harry's body is destroyed, his soul carries on. Why would corrupting a persons mind corrupt their spirit/shade/soul? Leah was saved by Mab from Nemesis. Was her spirit purified? why?
Can you show evidence that a person can be corrupted beyond the grave from Nemesis?
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We do not have that many nemesis cases and not one of them after dead. But we can discuss analogies and we have some evidence about body, spirit and soul.
Remember that soul and spirit are connected but different things. Corrupting a spirit is easier than corrupting the soul but someone with a corrupted spirit will probably make decisions that change his soul.
And we do have Harry and when he died the things changed by Lash did not suddenly disappear. Corpstaker was still a blackened warlock and so on. We know Nemesis can change a persons nature and that means their spirit.
So it stands to reason that if a person sufficiently changed by Nemesis died that person is not suddenly free from what Nemesis did to his spirit because Nemesis changes your spirit.
Moreover as Lea made clear in ghost story the Sidhe live in both worlds, the body and the spiritual. A mere change in mind without a change in spirit would not have fooled her.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Kindler on November 02, 2017, 06:08:06 PM ---See, that's one I have a lot of trouble picturing. There's just no way that Harry chooses to not save Susan, in my opinion.
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What if he didn't say "I love you" to Susan, who then tries to kill him, neglects to because of the poison in his bloodstream, and instead kills Justine? And then Harry chooses to leave the newly turned Susan with Bianca, thus avoiding war and buying himself time to try and find a cure?
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