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SpoonR:
I'm away from book. Does Ghost Story have the exact wording of Harry's bargain with Leah? Cause WAG.

Assume the bargain was Leah will help Harry defeat or kill DuMorne, in exchange for three favors. Mab has collected either one or two I think?  Now, with the DuMorne/Kemler connection Dumorne can be "dead dead" and still come back. So, DuMorne shows himself and Harry recognizes him. What happens to the bargain? The first clause is now untrue, so Harry has done favors without compensation, which leaves a pretty potent unbalance.

I'm assuming IIRC the bit from Cold Days that went something like: Harry is fine. Harry says he will break part of the Winter Knight Oath. The Knightly power disappears until he changes his mind. So the Leah/Harry oath will be "balanced" until Harry, Mab, or Leah find out DuMorne is still around. Now in the Leah/Harry oath, one favor has been equivalent to Harry using all his power to do whatever. I'm thinking this means...

Harry and the Alphas have tied up the villain. Harry reaches out and pulls off the mask...
"The ghoul! It's mister DuMorne"
"And I would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for you mangy wolves and that wizard."
Elsewhere, Mab is in the middle of a fight. Suddenly, two Harry's worth of power are drained from her and passed to Harry.
Mab has no power left and loses the fight. Oops. Nice job breaking it hero.

Kindler:
Let me see if I understand correctly. You're saying that:

1. Lea's deal with Harry was contingent upon Justin's death (permanent death).
2. Lea selling Harry's debt to Mab gives Mab power in a real, magical-oomph-type way.
3. If Harry sees that Justin is alive, that negates the deal, and Mab suddenly loses the power she had.

If I understand this correctly, I think there might be something there. I'm not sure that obligation is a direct power boost for the Fae, so I don't think it would necessarily shake out precisely that way, but it might cause problems for her if Justin comes back.

I believe, though, that Lea's deal with Harry was specifically for the power to beat Justin, not "Justin will die." Ghost Story does not give the specific wording, though, so I could be wrong. Even if that was the case, Fae Rules-Lawyering would say that Justin's heart stopped, which killed him, and any event that brought him back is not their concern.

But if there is sufficient wiggle room in the original contract, I do believe that Harry could use that to negotiate with Mab—perhaps to negate his remaining favor while letting Harry leave the Winter Knight's mantle behind. (Though I don't think he needs to; just figure out how to drop it and wait till Halloween to pull it off).

I do want Justin to come back, if only to provide some insight into Harry's past. Maybe in Mirror, Mirror, if Cowl pulled off the Darkhallow, Justin forced his way back across the Veil in the necromantic turbulence. Who knows?

exartiem:
I believe that DuMorne is not coming back.  There's a WOJ that pretty much says that.  That's not to say that we won't be seeing him.  There is a time travel book coming up.  I think Harry goes back and actually helps his younger self, possibly to the point of killing Justin himself.

Talby16:
I believe that the deal was contingent on power enough to beat Justin, not on his death. I would love to see Jim do another Ask me Anything Reddit so some longer form questions can be asked instead of the quick Q&A sessions at book signings. The nature of favors and power with regards to the Fae deserves a longer response.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Talby16 on October 16, 2017, 08:36:04 PM ---I believe that the deal was contingent on power enough to beat Justin, not on his death. I would love to see Jim do another Ask me Anything Reddit so some longer form questions can be asked instead of the quick Q&A sessions at book signings. The nature of favors and power with regards to the Fae deserves a longer response.

--- End quote ---

Hasn't Jim also said that Lea didn't really give Harry anything in the bargain but a boost of confidence that he could kill Justin in a fight?  So it was a pretty dumb bargain on the part of a inexperienced sixteen year old.

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