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Mab/Murphy Ironies
raidem:
--- Quote ---“I didn’t want the world. I didn’t want vast riches, or fame, or power. I wanted a husband. Children. Love. A home that we made together. And that can never happen now.” The tears fell, and as the heat, the fury, came back into her voice, the fire gathered around her again. “Because of you. Because you killed Aurora. Because you made me into this. You raise your hand against my champion, my friend, and when you are defeated you dare tell me what I must and must not do?”
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I think Lily has similar issues regarding mating and having children. She even says so.
If she could have a guy, a kid, love on the side it, she wouldn't be complaining about it in Cold Days. So, even she in her position as Summer Lady has the restriction of imposed virginity while wearing the mantle.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Near the end, Mab is in full judge mode, who is she judging?
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--- Quote ----EG-The Archive 2 points 12 hours ago
Nic. And Harry to some degree.
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--- Quote ---Raedem2 1 point a minute ago
Maybe herself too. (If I go with my theory Mab=Murphy, then she is like how dare my younger self lose to Nic in a sword fight, end up breaking the Sword of Faith, and be outmaneuvered by Nic in manipulating ME) I'm in judge mode right now because my emotions are in a roil over these same events that happen now, but also for me 1000+ years ago as Murphy. And, I'm stung, but like...Justice is finally served, NIC.
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...Now go back to Murphy's bedside you dupe and make out with her again, because I liked it.
Or, maybe she didn't. How dare you start falling in love with me. You will never free me from this mantle, Never.
Talby16:
@raidem, I'm sure you have already considered this and posted about this somewhere else so forgive me, but how do you reconcile this WOJ with your Mab/Murphy theory?
2014 AMA
Can we get a break down of the biological relationships between the various Fae Queens we have seen on screen? Of particular interest - Maeve and Sarissa, were they actually Mab's kids (biological sense)? If so, who was Mab's baby daddy?
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Can we get a break down of the biological relationships between the various Fae Queens we have seen on screen? Of particular interest - Maeve and Sarissa, were they actually Mab's kids (biological sense)? If so, who was Mab's baby daddy?
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
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I will break down the WOJ into two parts, from least complicated to most complicated with respect to my theory that Mab=Murphy, and then attempt to explain them.
--- Quote ---Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
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Note (Mab=Murphy) This requires Murphy to parent a set of twins with an Austrian composer and musician. She names them Maeve and Sarissa. She knows that Nemesis will likely get to Maeve, given her history on Demonreach in the future, her past, and for whatever reason (time travel paradox) still names them those same very names. She proceeds with plans to prevent this from occurring and despite all she does, it still happens.
Or, She knows her history, but the point in which she travels into the past she enters a slightly different alternate reality so she is uncertain as to exactly what will happen again.
--- Quote ---Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
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This one is the most problematic. I can explain it away a few different ways.
1) Biologically, over time, Mab and Titania become actual twin sisters. See the way the Lady mantle morph's Lily into looking like Aurora. Give it a few more decades, and they probably would look exactly alike.
2) Mab and Titania mantles are 'actual' twin sisters.
3) Murphy has a twin sister that accompanies her into the past to ascend the Queen mantles around the same time.
4) Murphy's evil/good twin, -Murphy, from an alternate reality travels into the past to ascend the Queen mantles around the same time. (she fits the definition of identical twin.) *Harry makes a joke about it in one of the books about Murphy having an evil twin. *We will likely see another Murphy in Mirror Mirror.
There is also this WOJ, that I have to navigate around.
--- Quote ---I was wondering if Mab was the first Winter Queen?
No. Mab was not the first Mab. Mab was originally Winter Lady, and Lea was her Jenny Greenteeth. She was her sidekick and handmaiden. And so when Mab got promoted Lea did too. So she got to be much more powerful and awesome. But that was a while back. When that happened. And the same thing with Titania. The Winter Queens actually died. The last time things got awful in the wizard world. So things are about to get awful in the wizard world again and they're a bit nervous. They're a bit nervous about Dresden. Well, Titania is very nervous about Dresden. Mab is keeping her enemies close.
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(*Mab=Murphy) This requires Murphy to be a Winter Lady, choose Lea to be her handmaiden. It seems "same thing" with Titania suggests our Titania (perhaps Murphy's twin) was Summer Lady. Both ascended in an event that took out the Mab and Titania of the time. And somehow both our Mab and Titania are skittish around Harry. With Mab, it's more about considering him an enemy. So, did Harry or something like Harry orchestrate, or directly take out, the prior Queens? They really have a hyperfocus on Harry personally, even before it seems Storm Front. It might have to do with what he was born to be.
Talby16:
Thanks for the reply. I was certain you would have an explanation for that particular WoJ. As you say, the Maeve/Sarissa part is easy to explain. If Murphy goes back in time and becomes Mab she will have plenty of time to have twins. Surprisingly, for me, I have an easier time accepting explanation number 4 for the Mab/Titania twin issue than the other ones, even though that is on the surface the most complex/unlikely. Number 1 would be a cop out in my opinion. For number 2, I do not think familial relationships are inherent to the mantles. I also have trouble believing that we have had no hint of a twin sister for Murphy through 15 books. That leaves number 4, however unlikely it appears on the surface.
I've often wondered about the purpose of the Mirror Mirror books. Presumably, it will be set almost entirely in the alternate reality. If that is the case, what will Harry gain from it to further his progression/journey. If he gains nothing and all his actions/consequences are contained in the alterante reality, then MM is nothing but a placeholder book. A fun look at the alternate fates of the characters I'm sure, but nothing that will help Harry win/survive in the BAT. I'm guessing he at least comes away from MM with some new insight or knowledge about the Outsiders and/or Black Council that he can apply in his reality. However, it is fun to speculate about the characters he will encounter and the potential for crossover.
For example, what if the MM Murphy decides to transfer out of Special Investigations. She is never exposed to the horror of the spooky world (but knows it still exists) and maybe ends up in a happier headspace. Her sense of duty rear its head when our Harry comes calling and she will accompany him and our Murphy back to the past where her different circumstances make her ideal to join Summer. Our Murphy, having been through the meat grinder, is more suited to join Winter and do what must be done.
Just one possibility, but if your theory is true, I like the opportunities explanation number 4 opens up.
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