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Was Ascher telling the truth?
wardenferry419:
--- Quote from: Kindler on December 20, 2017, 05:25:26 PM ---I agree that the White Council needs much better PR.
The problem with the Wardens as an organization, I think, is that there aren't enough of them. The White Council is a global organization, and a few hundred Wardens to police things. You're talking one Warden per, what, fifteen, twenty million people? Considering that they like to work in teams when handling true threats, it's no wonder that they have such a terrifying reputation. They only show up when things are bad, and when they do show up, people die. They're like plague doctors, except, you know, plague doctors actually carried the disease from house to house on their clothes.
I think that the real issue is pretty much a matter of scale. They have such a limited number of assets that there is no prevention; they're not an acceptable deterrent, and the sheer size of humanity over the past century is making their job that much harder (it's quintupled). If they had enough Wardens to have two or three in each major city, even that might not be enough, but it'd be a start. They don't have a presence like cops do—the "cop on every street corner" proposal helped (though how much of an impact it had is debatable, considering it went into effect during an economic boom and at the tail end of a pretty dramatic demographic shift) on crime reduction. Police trust is higher where people know their local beat cops. It is my belief that people don't trust institutions by reflex; they trust people, and that trust may extend to their organization over time.
Their lack of notable presence directly led to the minor talents' willingness to believe that Wardens were murdering them in White Night, in my opinion; Wardens were faceless enforcers to them, not, you know, people.
As for Arjan's thoughts on the topic, I believe that any (and every) organization is susceptible to corruption and abuse, the Wardens included. Considering the numbers involved—again, numbering in the hundreds—it is perfectly possible to introduce additional oversight without hindering their ability to respond to threats.
I do think it's notable, however, that the only confirmed outlier that we've seen on page is Peabody, the one person who seemed least likely to be a backstabbing murderer.
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And Peabody was not a warden; he was admin.
wardenferry419:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 20, 2017, 07:42:50 PM ---
Okay, so the Wardens are the White Council's cops... They arrest and enforce the Laws of Magic... However they are not supposed to sit in judgement of would be law breakers, that is the Senior Council's job. With the wars and modern times both are spread pretty thin... Also there are good and bad Wardens, if they are took quick on the draw and a young would be warlock loses his or her head before trial, most in the Council look the other way, makes their job easier because they feel they don't have the time to waste on a kid that no one will put his or her own head on the line for and who is a lost cause anyway.. So from her perspective, Asher was telling the truth, if she has surrendered the odds of her keeping her head were not in her favor... The chances were also good that she would have lost her head before a trial was arranged in the first place with no questions asked..
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Their responsibilities include protecting both the Senior Council and other White Council members from attacks, dealing with the Vampire Courts, the Faerie, and warlocks and serving as judge, jury and executioner when in the field against violators of the Seven Laws of magic. Many warlocks are killed resisting arrest, or apprehended after their crimes have earned them a death sentences. Hearings before the Senior Council are rare. Dresden Wiki
Mira:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on December 20, 2017, 11:25:18 PM --- Their responsibilities include protecting both the Senior Council and other White Council members from attacks, dealing with the Vampire Courts, the Faerie, and warlocks and serving as judge, jury and executioner when in the field against violators of the Seven Laws of magic. Many warlocks are killed resisting arrest, or apprehended after their crimes have earned them a death sentences. Hearings before the Senior Council are rare. Dresden Wiki
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No, they are not judge and jury! The accused are entitled to a trial, even if it has evolved to almost a kangaroo type event where the outcome is predestined because of 1] practicality, not enough wizards willing to risk to the Doom to rehab a young would be warlock, 2] because the Merlin in particular believes the results are mixed at best to disastrous if the rehab fails... So it may have evolved to a point where young offenders are simply killed for a variety of reasons by the Wardens, but that isn't how it is supposed to be.. So these days the Council does a lot of looking the other way unless someone like Harry insists that a trial is held.. The whole point of the trial for the Korean kid in my opinion was an object lesson for Harry by the Merlin that trials are mostly a waste of time..
Mr. Death:
They're not "entitled" to a trial -- the vast majority of Warlocks are executed in the field by Wardens.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on December 21, 2017, 04:11:27 PM ---They're not "entitled" to a trial -- the vast majority of Warlocks are executed in the field by Wardens.
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That doesn't mean they weren't entitled to on, just that for the most part, they don't do them anymore for lack of the manpower... The response when Harry asked for one for Molly was, " I thought we didn't do that anymore..." If what you say was true, Morgan would have given Harry the chop long ago because until the end he never stopped believing he was a warlock...
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