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WAG: Id Harry's Bargain with Mab.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 04, 2017, 08:44:30 PM ---I prefer the idea that Id, as the more practical portion of Harry's personality, knew that he'd eventually need Mab's help and power. So when they encountered one another in Harry's head in SmF, they struck a deal. Id would retrieve Namshiel's coin for her, and Mab would owe Id a favor, even while Harry still owed her one.
Then, on the island, Id took control of one hand without Harry realizing, retrieved the coin from Michael's bag while they all crouched in the lighthouse, and slipped it into a pocket, which he made Harry forget about. All of which is possible, given that Id has controlled Harry in the past (grabbing Lasciel's coin rather than picking the kid up) and saw Mab steal memories (SmF) and control Harry's hand (SK).
Finally, when Harry lost time in the chapel at the end, Id met with Mab, giving her the coin in return for the snowflake pin that we saw in SG. A pin that signifies a debt, similar to the leaf pin gifted by Lily in PG.
So when Harry came out of his headache on the chapel floor, and Mab mentioned repaying all of her debts, she was talking to both of them.
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I would point out that there is mention of Harry's burned hand being able to react instinctively to snatch a coin on the move when Harry cannot otherwise use said hand properly. Right after he vacates his willpower/displaces his mind into it.
That's actually something they can do with a rubber hand and wall, trick your mind into taking 'ownership' of a false hand to the point you feel it like your own. Id Harry coulda moved in in the absent moments.
I like this theory, never heard this one before..
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on October 05, 2017, 12:41:09 AM ---I'm not sure the ideas need to be mutually exclusive. It seems reasonable to me that the two may have more of an ongoing relationship than a one-off deal. The pin wasn't vital to the theory in the OP, just a bit of corroborating evidence.
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Agreed. Id's motivation in either is to make sure Harry (himself, really) has access to the resources he'll need.
--- Quote from: raidem on October 05, 2017, 01:13:46 AM ---Namschiels coin was confirmed on the helicopter gryffn. Or at least somebody's was.
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Are you sure? I thought they mentioned the hand was still in there, but I don't believe there was mention of the coin itself.
Unless there's some other source I'm unfamiliar with.
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on October 05, 2017, 01:20:51 AM ---If Id Harry did bargain Namshiel's coin for a favour, why keep it for a future marker instead of check off Mab's third marker over Harry right there and then?
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Because Harry unconsciously knows that things are getting worse and worse, and Mab's offer might be needed one day. Which it was. (Of course, if his debt is cleared, then he could use it to be free of the mantle, but it wouldn't help Molly, so... push, for now)
Not to mention that, on an unconscious level, he knows that Mab wants him for some reason, and won't just let him go. Bargaining in that manner, where he has a get-out-of-jail-free card, keeps Mab from doing something drastic (the Table), maintains his self-required excuse for dealing with her, and leaves her offer on the table.
--- Quote from: jonas on October 05, 2017, 01:46:52 AM ---I would point out that there is mention of Harry's burned hand being able to react instinctively to snatch a coin on the move when Harry cannot otherwise use said hand properly. Right after he vacates his willpower/displaces his mind into it.
That's actually something they can do with a rubber hand and wall, trick your mind into taking 'ownership' of a false hand to the point you feel it like your own. Id Harry coulda moved in in the absent moments.
I like this theory, never heard this one before..
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Thanks. I float it every once in a while, but it's not as popular as the others, which have Marcone or Hendricks possessing the coin in one way or another.
wardenferry419:
Sometimes ID Harry feels like a seperate entity.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on October 05, 2017, 08:49:32 AM ---Sometimes ID Harry feels like a seperate entity.
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I don't think he is, but I do think that he's a result of Harry's exposure to dark magic. If you'll note, those that are touched by dark magic (Sells, Denton, etc) are very Id in personality.
My guess is that the dark magic corruption is a spiritual contagion (Lily's words) that somehow suppresses the parts of the person that care. An Id unchecked, which seems to be infinitely more likely to be corrupted by power.
But in Harry's case, instead of succumbing, he somehow partitioned part of his psyche. It's not removed like Evil Bob, but is instead in a mental isolation.
How he could do that, I don't know. Maybe it has something to do with being a Starborn. Maybe Mab or Lea helped him without his remembering. Maybe it's something else.
Either way, Id is at once part of the whole and a unique manifestation.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on October 05, 2017, 08:49:32 AM ---Sometimes ID Harry feels like a seperate entity.
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Yeah, I feel that people treat him as more of a separate entity then he actually is- eg "ID Harry picked up Lasciel's coin"
No, Harry picked up Lasciel's coin, because he was driven to do so by his baser desires/darker instincts, which ID Harry represents.
There's not literally another guy in Harry's head bodyjacking him- At least I hope not. Because that would be dumb.
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