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WAG: Id Harry's Bargain with Mab.
Froklsnt:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 05, 2017, 02:33:57 PM ---Two things.
First, I think it was Mab that manipulated Harry's memories. She's got the ability to run roughshod over him.
Second, I think even if Id had been the one to actually conceal the memories, Mab could still say that she took them from Harry, as long as Id was acting in her name. It's like how Harry was responsible for Aurora's death, even though she was killed by dew drop faeries.
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I agree with you that someone acting on Mab's behalf is the same as saying Mab did it. It's just how she did it.
The reason for suggesting that Id Harry was responsible for the memory manipulation is that it explains what was going on with Little Chicago and Mouse in TC without Mab having to meddle with Harry again directly. I find it compelling to match the blasting rod under a tarp in his mind in SmF with the tarp described as over the table with LC in TC. But he remembers LC in the Side Jobs stories between SmF and TC, so Mab couldn't have done it in SmF. If LC has been cloaked from his memory by the time of TC, then either Mab found a way to hide it which left no trace at all of her presence in Harry's memory, or someone who was already in his head did it. The second option seems simpler, and has the bonus of matching up better with Bonnie headache used to distract Harry from Mouse in the same timeframe.
The concept still holds up if you say Mab was directly responsible for hiding the blasting rod, and then Id Harry, copying her technique, is responsible for hiding LC. It just seems like added complication.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on October 05, 2017, 02:50:45 PM ---I agree with you that someone acting on Mab's behalf is the same as saying Mab did it. It's just how she did it.
The reason for suggesting that Id Harry was responsible for the memory manipulation is that it explains what was going on with Little Chicago and Mouse in TC without Mab having to meddle with Harry again directly. I find it compelling to match the blasting rod under a tarp in his mind in SmF with the tarp described as over the table with LC in TC. But he remembers LC in the Side Jobs stories between SmF and TC, so Mab couldn't have done it in SmF. If LC has been cloaked from his memory by the time of TC, then either Mab found a way to hide it which left no trace at all of her presence in Harry's memory, or someone who was already in his head did it. The second option seems simpler, and has the bonus of matching up better with Bonnie headache used to distract Harry from Mouse in the same timeframe.
The concept still holds up if you say Mab was directly responsible for hiding the blasting rod, and then Id Harry, copying her technique, is responsible for hiding LC. It just seems like added complication.
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Except that if it were just Id blocking the memory of LC, there'd be no reason for Bob to not say, "Hey, boss, why are you doing those tracking spells on the floor? Why not use Little Chicago?" To which Harry would say, "Huh?"
Even if it was another case of the tarp-spell blotting out any reference to the subject (a la Harry hearing garbled noise at the phrase "blasting rod"), Bob will still notice that Harry wasn't replying to his questions. And he would have brought it up.
So there has to be another reason for Bob to also not suggest using LC. Either Mab did it, and intimidated Bob into silence, or LC was just broken at the time. The latter seems unlikely, as you'd think there'd be some dialogue expressing his frustration that the one tool he needed right then wasn't working.
raidem:
There is a strong argument to be made that IdHarry results from TT Harry sticking his hand in things via Harry's mental/subconscious processes.
jonas:
The thing about ID doing it, Id is basically the same as MM Harry as far as looks, Givin the Mirroring of things and the nature of a 'collective unconsciousness' being it's own aspect of the mind, I find it probable ID's attempts at communication could also be colored by an alt Harry mucking about in the same grey space of below conscious suggestion to effect changes in the timeline/reality that are favorable.
If my theory on LC surviving and being used to access the point in time and space that it still matches up to are correct, it was hidden like the delorian was, under a big tarp lol. It, besides being an active thaumaturgy connection, could be used for it's connection to what was, the past.
Froklsnt:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 05, 2017, 06:54:23 PM ---Except that if it were just Id blocking the memory of LC, there'd be no reason for Bob to not say, "Hey, boss, why are you doing those tracking spells on the floor? Why not use Little Chicago?" To which Harry would say, "Huh?"
Even if it was another case of the tarp-spell blotting out any reference to the subject (a la Harry hearing garbled noise at the phrase "blasting rod"), Bob will still notice that Harry wasn't replying to his questions. And he would have brought it up.
So there has to be another reason for Bob to also not suggest using LC. Either Mab did it, and intimidated Bob into silence, or LC was just broken at the time. The latter seems unlikely, as you'd think there'd be some dialogue expressing his frustration that the one tool he needed right then wasn't working.
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You're right, Bob is implicated. That was actually the discussion that brought this theory about. Bob missing LC is odd. The lack of any dialog about LC at all is odd. Mab had access to the lab at this time, (assuming she meant no harm) so it's possible she's involved. I'll admit it's more of a reach though. I also tried to tie Bob's request for an extra vessel into the OP, but that might be pushing it too.
I shouldn't be surprised that any post about LC and Id Harry eventually turns to time travel. There's nothing to rule it out, and it's hard to deny the ties and resemblance. However. It's really only TC where Little Chicago goes unused, unmentioned, unseen. It's used in SmF, mentioned in SJ, gone in TC, back in Changes. Is the implication that there's time travel in TC? If so, why the timing that blocks him from finding Shagnasty? Why does that sync up with the Bonnie headache that blocks the same thing with Mouse?
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