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Changes battle, we only saw the surface?

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Bacchus:
First the whole point of the ritual was to kill mortals with magic. Those mortals being a senior council member and the most powerful wizard of the younger generation.
if the black staff didn't do something that would almost be negligence on his part.

second remember the reds using the ways without permission counted as a declaration of war and the white council were astonished that the fey did nothing. Not only that they summoned outsiders in mass into fey territory which we now know would have particularly infuriated the fey.  Its just that immortals see time differently.  To Mab this was probably a rather quick response.


 The part that blows my mind is that the ritual was one of the dumbest things the reds could do.

 They know for a fact that when Ortega went after Dresden in a underhanded manner a satellite crashed and destroyed everything for hundreds of yards around his house.
That was meant to be an example, so yes they know it wasn't random.

So their great plan is to go after Dresden in a underhanded manner while gathering all of their strongest members and almost all of their weaker ones within a couple hundred yards.
they were not even particularly secretive about the fact that they were all gathering there.  With the senior councils information gathering ability its almost a sure thing that they would find out.
Thats the main reason i think their was some more important goal than killing Ebeneezer.  If their wasn't the red court would have died out long ago from similar stupid plans.

Also thats my theory on what Merlin meant when he said they were going to exterminate the reds. Drop a satellite on the pyramid and mop up the survivors with wardens and senior council. Maggie being their messed up that plan because only Ebeneezer could drop the satellite.

Froklsnt:
I think it's a lock that Mab had an interest, because the Reds have made a habit of summoning Outsiders while on the ways through Faerie to aid them in battle with the WCW. That is a significant insult to Mab in my eyes. Careless too, and undermining of her war efforts. The reds also play into the founding conspiracy of the series somehow, with the schemes around creating a starborn, which ultimately led to Harry. Ariana's presence at that dinner with Lord Raith, Maggie, and Eb is evidence enough to convince me of that. Whether that conspiracy is the same thing as the Circle or BC or Nemesis remains to be seen, but it is certainly another major dark center of power, however it identifies.

Aminar:
I think we saw the important bits. I don't think the RAMPS expected to need outsiders for that fight, and if there were some there we'd have heard about it. Politically there is kind of more, but for the most part I doubt it's an Arctis Tor Scenario.

SerScot:

--- Quote from: peregrine on October 04, 2017, 05:50:19 PM ---Don't forget the Chicago PD.  They had one of their department heads on the scene.

--- End quote ---

No, not during Changes.  Murphy was demoted between Proven Guilty and White Night.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: DonBugen on October 04, 2017, 07:32:34 PM ---Mab's the interesting one. The Reds are signatories of the accords, and you wouldn't think that Lea could indulge herself if the Reds hadn't offered them any insult.  Either the act of Harry being Winter Knight meant that the past-tense act of kidnapping his daughter became a declaration of war, or it's a "if you're not alive to complain, I can get away with it" sort of deal.

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I'd say that providing Leah with Nemesis infection under the rules of hospitality, and the reds defending her was reason for her to drop the hammer.  I even think Leah mentioned taking her revenge on those members in Changes.  So they appear to have been involved.

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