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Uriel's Second "Small Favor"
isoycrazy:
I think we are omitting one other possible action by Uriel to give aid to Harry for the twice hell-blessed power Luci gave to his minions. As Kringle says, knowledge is a power like any other, and one of the most pure and dangerous forms of Power. Uriel''s conversation with Harry, and the gifting of a book filled with wise morals and good philosophies, of good overcoming evil and the common man rising up to challenge the darkest of foes, could be the second favor.
I don't see Uriel doing anything that cannot net him some gains in the future. Harry was having a crisis of Faith and Uriel uses the marker Luci played to save a good man from forsaking his Faith. Harry was at the point of saying F-U to the TWG when Uriel arrived in humble form to help guide him to a better understanding of the situation. Wrath, I would say, is Harry's strongest vice. To help a man stop from succumbing to it and have him lose Faith, seems like the best use of a marker.
Froklsnt:
I can't really deny that I wouldn't be theorizing about Small Favor if we had something new to process :P
And in going back to the scene, it is true that Harry gets soulfire before the second greater circle goes up. However, Harry has been feeling the buildup of the energies being shaped for a fair bit of time before he creates the silver hand. It would be reasonable to assert that Lucifer had already taken his second action (specifically, sending his power to Earth) before Uriel did. If you buy into this interpretation of events, then this whole debate is moot. Also worth mentioning was that Harry was about to be casually killed by Thorned Namshiel when Uriel made his move. In addition to the long term gift of soulfire, Uriel also got the short-term reward of saving Dresden's life.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 28, 2017, 07:00:10 PM ---Saving Michael, like Snark Knight suggested, seems possible, but it doesn't really seem commensurate to me with the amount of power in the greater circle.
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I'm not sure granting Harry soulfire was equal to the great hellfire circles on a joules of energy basis either. I don't think it necessarily has to be - the balance seems to be just an action for an action. Uriel probably can't do something even bigger than the provocation he's countering (like, say, personally obliterate all the Fallen subordinate to Lucifer), but I see no reason he couldn't use his marker on a smaller action if he thinks a nudge in the right place will do more good than a shove in the wrong one.
Mira:
--- Quote from: isoycrazy on September 29, 2017, 11:57:28 AM ---I think we are omitting one other possible action by Uriel to give aid to Harry for the twice hell-blessed power Luci gave to his minions. As Kringle says, knowledge is a power like any other, and one of the most pure and dangerous forms of Power. Uriel''s conversation with Harry, and the gifting of a book filled with wise morals and good philosophies, of good overcoming evil and the common man rising up to challenge the darkest of foes, could be the second favor.
I don't see Uriel doing anything that cannot net him some gains in the future. Harry was having a crisis of Faith and Uriel uses the marker Luci played to save a good man from forsaking his Faith. Harry was at the point of saying F-U to the TWG when Uriel arrived in humble form to help guide him to a better understanding of the situation. Wrath, I would say, is Harry's strongest vice. To help a man stop from succumbing to it and have him lose Faith, seems like the best use of a marker.
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Well, think about it, would Harry have been successful with Alfred if he hadn't added a couple of drops of soul fire to his blood when he did the first summoning? I'd say that is a gain for the future..
kazimmoinuddin:
It seems to me that pieces of a permanent solution is coming together. A wizard that is a know enemy of the fallen has soul fire, soulfire can really mess with denarians. That wizard has a scion child that potentially has access to the angelic of one of the fallen. So magics and spells that can affect the coin collection, as well as their names, sigils and history would be availabl.
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