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Uriel's Second "Small Favor"
deflated:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 28, 2017, 07:01:55 PM ---I posted this topic because there are four actions here, and Uriel's quote only covers three of them. The first two actions are unambiguous:
* Lucifer empowers the Greater Circle at Marcone's Safehouse ==> Uriel Gifts Harry Soulfire
The third action is also very clear, but the response isn't:
* Lucifer empowers the Greater Circle at Shedd Aquarium ==> Uriel does ??
The second circle cannot be pooled in with the first action/balancing action because the gift of soulfire happened before the second circle, and Heaven is a major rules-lawyer about responding to an action, not preempting it. The question at hand is how the scales were balanced for that second action by Lucifer
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Why does the second Circle have to be considered separate from the first? Maybe Lucifer's action was to grant knowledge of how to form a Great Circle and access to the power to initiate them, which was balanced by Uriel granting the skill to use soulfire to Harry. Two acations balancing each other.
Rhetoric:
--- Quote from: deflated on September 28, 2017, 08:56:42 PM ---Maybe Lucifer's action was to grant knowledge of how to form a Great Circle and access to the power to initiate them, which was balanced by Uriel granting the skill to use soulfire to Harry. Two acations balancing each other.
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--- Quote from: Small Favor ---But I’ve been running some figures in my head, and when the Denarians pulled up those huge Signs, they had to have a lot of power to do it. A lot of power. More than I could ever have had, even with Lasciel. Archangel power.
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Lucifer didn't teach the Denarians how to access power. Lucifer was the power the Denarians accessed.
--- Quote from: Brightbane on September 28, 2017, 08:43:21 PM ---Lucí gave the Denarians access to his power (they used it to super charge 2 pentagram). Uriel have Harry access to his own soul, which he can use whenever. Just like Lucifer doesn't get a new chance to exert his power every time Harry uses soul fire, Uriel doesn't get a reaction every time they use the pentagram. I feel like this is pretty straight forward
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Frankly, the fact that there are multiple people here all with different understandings of the same events tells me that this is the complete opposite of straight forward...
Anyway, I find it highly unlikely that the Denarians can now call upon Lucifer's power whenever they please with no further heavenly interference. I think there is an important distinction between the Denarians using Lucifer's power twice, and Uriel allowing Dresden to use Soulfire, which is fueled by Dresden's own soul/power. Dresden doesn't need Uriel every time he accesses Soulfire.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Rhetoric on September 29, 2017, 01:33:52 AM ---Frankly, the fact that there are multiple people here all with different understandings of the same events tells me that this is the complete opposite of straight forward...
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Man, I don't know how long you've hung around here yet, but there are people who can read a direct, literal description of exactly what happens and who is doing what and still come up with "interpretations" of that event that have little or nothing to do with what's described on the page.
Mostly I blame it on us all going stir crazy waiting for Peace Talks.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 29, 2017, 03:23:14 AM ---Man, I don't know how long you've hung around here yet, but there are people who can read a direct, literal description of exactly what happens and who is doing what and still come up with "interpretations" of that event that have little or nothing to do with what's described on the page.
Mostly I blame it on us all going stir crazy waiting for Peace Talks.
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As much as I'm pro theory, I'd have to agree with that in this case lol.
Mira:
--- Quote from: jonas on September 29, 2017, 03:42:31 AM ---As much as I'm pro theory, I'd have to agree with that in this case lol.
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It is all a matter of point of view isn't it? ::)
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