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Marcone and his knowledge/experience with the supernatural/magic prior to SF
wardenferry419:
Does anyone else think that might not have been Marcone's first soulgaze?
namkcas:
"My timeline puts him at 59 for PT. He could conceivably be as young as 57 if he stole the "Marcone" identity and used it to join the military early."
I am 57 and was born in 1960. At 59, he would have been born in 1958. That means he would have been 17 at the time that the US left Vietnam (1975). Not impossible, but I don't know how many brand new troops we put in the last year or so. Most Vietnam Vets are early to mid-60s at this point.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: namkcas on October 02, 2017, 08:39:11 PM ---"My timeline puts him at 59 for PT. He could conceivably be as young as 57 if he stole the "Marcone" identity and used it to join the military early."
I am 57 and was born in 1960. At 59, he would have been born in 1958. That means he would have been 17 at the time that the US left Vietnam (1975). Not impossible, but I don't know how many brand new troops we put in the last year or so. Most Vietnam Vets are early to mid-60s at this point.
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If you check my timeline a few pages back, you'll see I had him in Saigon in '74-75, after the war but up until the full withdrawal in Operation Frequent Wind in April. If he signed up early, he could have been there longer.
Edit: I went and found it because it was in the other Marcone age thread.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 27, 2017, 01:58:25 AM ---My theoretical timeline for Marcone, with ages for him, Helen, and Amanda.
2014 SG - (JM-59)(HB-57)(AB-34)
2003 DM - (JM-48)(HB-46)(AB-23)
2000 SF - (JM-45)(HB-43)(AB-20)
1990 - (JM-35)(HB-33)(AB-10) Amanda is shot.
1984 - (JM-29) End of third tour; returns to Chicago
1983 - (JM-28) Marine helo-pilot for Grenada Invasion (Operation Urgent Fury)
1980 - (JM-25)(HB-23)(AB-00) End of second tour
1980 - (JM-25) Marine helo-pilot for failed Tehran rescue (Operation Eagle Claw)
1976 - (JM-21) End of first tour
1975 - (JM-20) Marine helo-pilot for Saigon Evac (Operation Frequent Wind)
1975 - (JM-45) Marine helo-pilot for Cambodia Evac (Operation Eagle Pull)
1973 - (JM-18) Joins Marines, Helicopter pilot/crew; stationed in Saigon as post-war support.
1955 - (JM-00)
Notes:
- During his time in Saigon, Marcone develops a strong dislike of heroin and other drugs that other soldiers use to cope with deployment, seeing friends lose themselves to them.
- At the same time, he develops empathy towards orphans and other children facing hardships after the war.
- He witnesses corruption within the military, learning how to manipulate officials and officers with prostitution, blackmail, and bribery.
- After Saigon, he remains in the service, making contacts and running his own little organization where he's stationed.
- He remains I'm the military after Saigon and Tehran, feeling a sense of failure. He remains enlisted until the successful Grenada mission gives him a sense of accomplishment.
- After three tours, he heads to Chicago, where he hopes to use what he learned to make a name for himself. He lasts about 6 years before he becomes a threat to the families.
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Bacchus:
I feel like you guys are missing the easier ways Marcone would have found out.
First off while full power wizards are extremely rare low level practitioners are relativity common. Many of which may enjoy drugs/prostitutes/gambling and may try to trade knowledge to pay off debts, some may have been in the mob themselves. Like previous generations versions of that knife fighter cult leader from ghost story
Second Marcone has extensive contacts in the Chicago PD, a division of which has known all about the supernatural for decades and it seems likely that at some point someone gave him all of their files.
Third the Mob has been a major power in Chicago for over 100 years and would likely have been operating in bad neighborhoods at night the whole time. As the current head of that organization its even plausible that he inherited secret records of all the weird stuff they have seen when he took the top spot.
As someone pointed out the supernatural isn't really kept all that secret its more normal people try very hard not to believe in it, mainly due to fear
The reason Marcone knows is because he has the type of mental strength to judge the gathered information on its own merits. it has been stated in the books that Marcone completely ignores fear, its part of why he's so dangerous.
Thats also why the soul gaze didn't scare him
wardenferry419:
You make some pretty good points. Thank you.
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