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Harry/Marcone Relationship
raidem:
--- Quote ---@BillyYank Marcone was a Marine.
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So that settles it, there isn't an allusion at least in that quote to Vietnam.
This was the last reference to Marcone I could find in WOJ section via search for his name.
--- Quote ---2011 Naperville Signing
You have a big supporting cast of antagonists in the Dresden Files, are there any you prefer writing over others?
...And Marcone is also a favorite. Being able to write the short story Even Hand from his viewpoint was very enlightening for me. Because I had never really been entirely certain what his take on Dresden was until I actually got inside his head and started writing him for a while. He’s the guy that looks at Dresden like, you know, the guy that looks at the drunken Sheriff in town who’s just like “I just want the shootouts to stop.” It’s like, Come on, yes you keep wining them but COME ON, there’s gotta be a better way that brakes fewer windows. But at the same time he owns the undertaker shop so… [shrugs and waves his hand in front of them like they are balancing scales].
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Now back to establishing lower limit on Marcone's age via Amanda's age.
--- Quote ---Amanda's birth via Priscilla's timeline prior to Storm Front
~13-17 BSF: Amanda Beckitt born. [Age:0] {This needs to be analyzed further it is based largely on description of Amanda as in late teens, early twenties in DM which according to timeline takes place 3 years after Storm Front)
--- Quote ---[2-7 years BSF] What I could see was the Beckitt family. Husband, wife, daughter, a little girl maybe ten or eleven years old. [Age: 10-11]
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She is "in her late teens or early twenties" in DM which takes place about 3 years after SF. [Age 18-23]
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Now for Marcone
--- Quote ---@BillyYank Marcone was a Marine. [Age>17 when he entered service]
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I'm having some difficulty making some of the facts we know about Marcone mesh particulary regarding his apparent age at time of shootout, service as a marine, temporal proximity to Storm Front, his takeover of Chicago's criminal underworld.
--- Quote ---I looked over my shoulder to see a very, very young-looking Marcone.
He wasn't wearing a business suit. He had on jeans and a black leather jacket. His hair was longish, a little mussed, and he also sported a stubble of beard that gave him the kind of rakish look that would attract attention from the girls who fantasized about indulging with a bad boy. [Age:?]
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How long was Marcone involved in the years of internal struggle after the Vargassi family dissolved into internal strife?
--- Quote ---"Gentleman" Johnny Marcone had been the thug to emerge on top of the pile after the Vargassi family had dissolved into internal strife. The police department saw Marcone as a mixed blessing, after years of merciless struggle and bloody exchanges with the Vargassis.
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SF: Marcone's appearance during first Harry/Marcone encounter
--- Quote ---Gentleman Johnny Marcone didn't look like the sort of man who would have my legs broken or my jaw wired shut. His salt-and-pepper hair was cut short, and there were lines from sun and smiling etched into the corners of his eyes. His eyes were the green of well-worn dollar bills. He seemed more like a college football coach: good-looking, tanned, athletic, and enthusiastic. The impression was reinforced by the men he kept with him.
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Harry's Age
--- Quote ---25 BSF, October 31: Harry is born. Harry's mother, now Margaret Gwendolyn Dresden, dies in childbirth. She is murdered by a ritual entropy curse, courtesy of Lord Raith. [Harry's Age SF=25]
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Based on time of shootout, estimate of Amanda's birth, Harry's birth, and Marcone involvement in a shootout 2-7BSF at age no earlier than 18, I estimate that Marcone is at least 6-10 years older than Harry.
jonas:
Merlin to Uther or Arthur, He helped him cement his kingdom, is known/rumored to be in 'cahoots' with him, Marcone literally tried to get him in the advisor role for magics even, both caught up in the Grail quest in ways, ect.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Now for Marcone
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@BillyYank Marcone was a Marine. [Age>17 when he entered service]
I'm having some difficulty making some of the facts we know about Marcone mesh.
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I looked over my shoulder to see a very, very young-looking Marcone.
He wasn't wearing a business suit. He had on jeans and a black leather jacket. His hair was longish, a little mussed, and he also sported a stubble of beard that gave him the kind of rakish look that would attract attention from the girls who fantasized about indulging with a bad boy.
Why? Because he was busy taking over the criminal enterprise in Chicago after that shootout or so I suppose and the shootout wasn't that much earlier than Storm Front.
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Age is important to determine whether or not he served in Viet Nam... The fall of Saigon happened in 1975.. That was forty-two years ago, if Marcone entered the service at 18 and served in Viet Nam, the youngest he could be is 60, most likely he is older if the claim is he saw combat.. I didn't get the impression that Marcone was that much older than Harry, but that is merely an impression, is there better information out there? As to entering at age 17, I believe he'd need parental consent to do so, I cannot imagine his crime family parents giving that.. But I could be wrong about that as well.
raidem:
Oh, sorry. I already dismissed the Vietnam bit in my post of the WOJ I partly incorrectly recalled.
--- Quote ---@BillyYank Marcone was a Marine.
So that settles it, there isn't an allusion at least in that quote to Vietnam.
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So, I'm not concerned about the Vietnam piece anymore. I was moving on to establish an age for him. The thing is though if you view/read the comics, the Marcone portrayed there is much older than Harry.
--- Quote ---As to entering at age 17, I believe he'd need parental consent to do so, I cannot imagine his crime family parents giving that..
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I don't think it's established that he has crime family parents. We are in the dark as to his parents otherwise I wouldn't even be entertaining this WAG.
Rasins:
We know MacFinn was in Vietnam. Don't know about Marcone though.
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