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Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Con on September 25, 2017, 04:01:53 PM ---Of course thats my entire argument. It seems your just disagreeing on the order.
Seriously guys klingons and orcs what board are we on. They're different genres with different focuses. Besides tolkien was just a little racist. Star trek has more anthropology but still it's focus is intellectual. Dresden files is about heroism superheroism in fact. A closer fandom analogy would be marvel. But an even closer one is the actual aztec mayan and inca cultures for Red Court. Etruscan roman greek for white
Slavic russian and lower germanic cultures for black court.
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I fail to see how Tolkien was racist
DonBugen:
Ok, so to answer a few things:
--- Quote ---To you question about plants: If plants had Human-level intelligence, and human moral capacity, then yes we could not eat them. If your only food source is a person, your only valid choices are to die or find some alternative. Anything else makes you a monster. But plants dont have human-level intellect or persona, so it is not relevant really.
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Please don't dodge by saying that "it's not real so it doesn't matter." None of this is real. I'm asking you if you're stating that in a clear case of predator/prey in which one MUST kill the other to survive, that it is the predator that must be exterminated. That instead of enduring the occasional death of members of one species, that it is preferable to go with mass genocide. And if you would willingly and happily consign yourself to the same fate if you found homogeneous sapiens in that boat.
Besides, it's a big universe. You literally don't know if the same thing cannot be said of us. If dolphins are discovered to be sentient and mankind is killing them by polluting the oceans and causing climate change, does that mean that if man won't give up industrialization, we must be exterminated?
--- Quote ---As for Liverspots: Who cares if he was a person? I have never understood why anyone finds this significant. Hitler was a person. What of it? Your life no longer has ANY value if you commit acts that nullify its value.
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Michael would disagree with you. Nicodemus is arguably a worse person than Hitler, having done more damage over his thousands of years and committing more atrocities. And yet Michael risked his life, Harry's life, Uriel's grace, to offer the chance of redemption. No one has gone so far as to not turn back.
If you disagree, OK, that's your opinion. Dresden - at least, Dresden as he is now, and certainly early Dresden - would agree with you. But just because you say that he's a monster and should be wiped out without a second thought doesn't make it gospel truth.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on September 25, 2017, 04:40:54 PM ---I fail to see how Tolkien was racist
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http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Racism_in_Tolkien's_Works
Shift8:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on September 25, 2017, 05:14:43 PM ---Ok, so to answer a few things:
Please don't dodge by saying that "it's not real so it doesn't matter." None of this is real. I'm asking you if you're stating that in a clear case of predator/prey in which one MUST kill the other to survive, that it is the predator that must be exterminated. That instead of enduring the occasional death of members of one species, that it is preferable to go with mass genocide. And if you would willingly and happily consign yourself to the same fate if you found homogeneous sapiens in that boat.
Besides, it's a big universe. You literally don't know if the same thing cannot be said of us. If dolphins are discovered to be sentient and mankind is killing them by polluting the oceans and causing climate change, does that mean that if man won't give up industrialization, we must be exterminated?
Michael would disagree with you. Nicodemus is arguably a worse person than Hitler, having done more damage over his thousands of years and committing more atrocities. And yet Michael risked his life, Harry's life, Uriel's grace, to offer the chance of redemption. No one has gone so far as to not turn back.
If you disagree, OK, that's your opinion. Dresden - at least, Dresden as he is now, and certainly early Dresden - would agree with you. But just because you say that he's a monster and should be wiped out without a second thought doesn't make it gospel truth.
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I didn't dodge your question at all. I very clearly answered it, and then clarified additionally that the example you gave isn't actually the case. I don't know why you are bothering with claiming I dodged anything when I very clearly answered your question.
Genocide is irrelevant If the species in question is not worthy of existence. Life does not have value simply because it is alive. Life of a certain nature has value. You cant assert value equivalence between two different species, because they are by definition not the same.
And I don't really care what Micheal did. Micheal was a imbecile for risking his life in a comabt situation to see if he could turn Nick. He risked his in life, that of hisncomerades, and the mission for complete foolishness. Nick needs to be wiped out like a dog in the street and his memory blotted from existence. Nick's life has about as much value as a rock
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 25, 2017, 05:21:14 PM ---http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Racism_in_Tolkien's_Works
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Seen if before. All nonsense. Essentially a bunch of drivel that implies a euro centric setting must be racist in nature, amongst other simplistic thinking.
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