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Has Eb already chosen his successor? If he has, who?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on September 20, 2017, 09:24:28 PM ---Time travel. No evidence at all that this creates a taint. Although to be fair, the question has not been specifically addressed.
And I would argue the calling an outsider "per se" is not black magic either, although dealing with outsiders is intensely dangerous and likely to lead to corruption through that interaction. But if you just called one up and kept it in the circle for an hour without interacting with it - and then sent it back -- it is hard to argue that this is black magic or particularly corrupting. It is CERTAINLY against the laws of magic.
Of course, if you want to get really philosophical, then all uses of magic influence the caster in some way. If those influences are in the not nice direction, you can call that influence (accurately) a taint. Using anger to fuel your magic taints the caster. I suspect using love to fuel your magic also has an impact on the caster. Using magic to harm someone probably causes a taint, although much less of one than killing with magic.
Black magic is a general term for really bad magic that is both very negative in an of itself and has a very strong propensity to strongly taint the caster. But it is certainly possible for a wizard to do a lot of magic that is "legal", but whose cumulative effective over decades is corrupting. Harry himself mentioned that his use of fear/anger/rage in battle has probably altered his magical nature over the years.
....and to give the other side example I forgot in my prior post. Drawing power from a very dark ley line can certainly badly taint a caster in the same was as dark magic, but that action is not prohibited by the laws of magic. It is still stupid, just not against the laws of magic.
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But still, no proof one way or the other that any of the dark magics forbidden by the laws don't corrupt. On the other hand, we have numerous cases of people telling us that dark magic corrupts, and the laws are against the darkest of magics.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 21, 2017, 03:39:39 PM ---But on the surface, just going in without permission is a breaking of the law.
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I'd argue that "invade" and "trespass" are two different things. Invading a mind, as the law mentions, would seem to imply a certain level of aggressive activity. Molly's actions in TC are more in line with trespassing; she entered without permission, but didn't do anything to the"victim".
Just entering the mind doesn't have a corruption, or their newly established practices would be corrupting them. So there would seem to be a difference.
Rasins:
I'm actually agreeing with you.
I'm of the opinion that not all applications of breaking the laws lead to being tainted.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 21, 2017, 03:59:56 PM ---I'm actually agreeing with you.
I'm of the opinion that not all applications of breaking the laws lead to being tainted.
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No, we're disagreeing. I'm saying that what Molly did wasn't a law violation. Harry said it was, but I think it could have been defended pretty easily if she were anyone other than her, and her master were anyone other than Harry.
I'm saying that law violations corrupt, which is why there are laws against them. I don't think they were crafted just because they weren't palatable to conservative wizards; I think there's a genuine reason those 7 were crafted into Law.
Time travel included. The mindset of someone willing to change the past, regardless of the consequences to reality, is just as corrupted as someone that would mess with someone's head.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 21, 2017, 04:53:54 PM ---No, we're disagreeing. I'm saying that what Molly did wasn't a law violation. Harry said it was, but I think it could have been defended pretty easily if she were anyone other than her, and her master were anyone other than Harry.
I'm saying that law violations corrupt, which is why there are laws against them. I don't think they were crafted just because they weren't palatable to conservative wizards; I think there's a genuine reason those 7 were crafted into Law.
Time travel included. The mindset of someone willing to change the past, regardless of the consequences to reality, is just as corrupted as someone that would mess with someone's head.
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Ah, Okay ...
What you are saying is that she didn't break the Spirit of the law.
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