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Was Justin preparing Harry to learn necromancy?

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Froklsnt:
"Potential Wizards" seems to be a much broader category than "Potential Starborns." While we still don't know everything involved, Lash's line from White Night seems to suggest there is more to it than just Wizard parentage and the right birthday:


--- Quote from: White Night, page 406 ---"It is relevant," Lasciel said, "because of the circumstances of your birth -- because of why you were born, Harry.  Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for a reason."
What the hell was she talking about?
Thud-thump: 1:26.
"There was a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would have given a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders."
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It's my read that it would only be achieved deliberately, that accidentally / coincidentally creating a starborn is highly unlikely. Hence, Justin probably had something to do with it. He was almost certainly aware of Harry being created towards that purpose, perhaps even involved in the original plan to do it.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 21, 2017, 04:55:21 PM ---"Potential Wizards" seems to be a much broader category than "Potential Starborns." While we still don't know everything involved, Lash's line from White Night seems to suggest there is more to it than just Wizard parentage and the right birthday:

It's my read that it would only be achieved deliberately, that accidentally / coincidentally creating a starborn is highly unlikely. Hence, Justin probably had something to do with it. He was almost certainly aware of Harry being created towards that purpose, perhaps even involved in the original plan to do it.

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Could be, but then why did he think he could control a star born?

--- Quote ---Ebenezer specifically mentions that Margaret took up with DuMorne among others, if I'm not mistaken.
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I seem to remember that as well, but what doesn't make sense there is until Harry killed him nothing was known about Justin's evil intents... He was merely a retired Warden, he had been on the eventual killing of Kemmler, where on the sly he managed to steal the skull which contained the spirit that eventually became Bob.. So did Eb have additional information about Justin after the fact? 

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 21, 2017, 04:55:21 PM ---"Potential Wizards" seems to be a much broader category than "Potential Starborns." While we still don't know everything involved, Lash's line from White Night seems to suggest there is more to it than just Wizard parentage and the right birthday:

It's my read that it would only be achieved deliberately, that accidentally / coincidentally creating a starborn is highly unlikely. Hence, Justin probably had something to do with it. He was almost certainly aware of Harry being created towards that purpose, perhaps even involved in the original plan to do it.

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Don't forget that Wizards like to hold onto information more tightly than Scrooge likes to hoard money.

That being said, I could totally see Margaret only telling Justin part of it.  Or enough to be able to identify a potential, but not an actual Starborn.

Froklsnt:

--- Quote from: Mira on September 21, 2017, 05:41:08 PM ---Could be, but then why did he think he could control a star born?

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Justin thought he could control a couple of kids, and bend them to his designs over time, leaving them open to enthrallment. And the more I think about it, the more the "enforcers" explanation smells fishy. More likely, they were being developed for their potential regarding the Outsiders, since we know Justin had those connections.

What if the enthrallment of Elaine and He Who Walks Behind being sent out have more to do with each other than has been previously reported? We know that HWWB is called via a ritual, a ritual for which timing is crucial. Perhaps involving star borns in that ritual yields another result that Justin was seeking. And perhaps, since his plan to perform a ritual with his apprentices fell through, he had no choice but to send HWWB after Harry, because the clock had already been set in motion.

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 21, 2017, 07:07:24 PM ---Justin thought he could control a couple of kids, and bend them to his designs over time, leaving them open to enthrallment. And the more I think about it, the more the "enforcers" explanation smells fishy. More likely, they were being developed for their potential regarding the Outsiders, since we know Justin had those connections.

What if the enthrallment of Elaine and He Who Walks Behind being sent out have more to do with each other than has been previously reported? We know that HWWB is called via a ritual, a ritual for which timing is crucial. Perhaps involving star borns in that ritual yields another result that Justin was seeking. And perhaps, since his plan to perform a ritual with his apprentices fell through, he had no choice but to send HWWB after Harry, because the clock had already been set in motion.

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So, in this case, HWWB WAS the entropy curse?

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