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Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 11, 2017, 03:44:02 PM ---I never realized losing every last material possession and selling one's soul meant absolutely nothing to so many people. ???
Seriously, I'm not saying that the Eebs are going to be standing side by side in the miasma of dark energy as Cthulhu rises from the depths, bound to their service as they take over the world. All I'm saying is that they've done more to hurt Harry than any other villain short of DuMorne (psychologically) and Mavra (physically).
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The thing is, they basically did those by accident, and they weren't even doing it for personal reasons -- they were ordered to. They really had no more beef against Dresden than the average Red Court vampire did.
Harry seems to put the blame on Arianna and the Red Court as a whole for all that, not the Eebs specifically, and from the sound of it, he considers the account settled.
--- Quote ---I think that their sudden and unexpected appearance at the Peace Talks, in a situation where Harry can't crush them like bugs due to protocol, will be good plot fodder. Hell, I'm even saying one should die early in the book to frame Harry for murder, and the other can die by the end.
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Honestly, putting themselves in front of Harry Dresden in any capacity seems rather foolish. These are two goons whose main feat of on-screen strength was running through a wall to get away from Harry -- and that was before he was the Winter Knight.
If I were the Eebs and I was lucky enough to survive the Changes curse and I was lucky enough to escape the Erlking's torture chambers, I'd pick a quiet spot as far as physically possible from Harry Dresden to very quietly live out the rest of my days.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 11, 2017, 04:13:10 PM ---The thing is, they basically did those by accident, and they weren't even doing it for personal reasons -- they were ordered to. They really had no more beef against Dresden than the average Red Court vampire did.
Harry seems to put the blame on Arianna and the Red Court as a whole for all that, not the Eebs specifically, and from the sound of it, he considers the account settled.
Honestly, putting themselves in front of Harry Dresden in any capacity seems rather foolish. These are two goons whose main feat of on-screen strength was running through a wall to get away from Harry -- and that was before he was the Winter Knight.
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We're talking about Winter Knight Harry "I owed Bob so I did his favor before I made new gear to help keep me alive" Dresden. If the two Ramps that personally took the most from him and put him in the corner he was in, to have to accept Mab's deal, suddenly appear in front of him, I'm guessing he's going to feel like the scales need further balancing.
--- Quote ---If I were the Eebs and I was lucky enough to survive the Changes curse and I was lucky enough to escape the Erlking's torture chambers, I'd pick a quiet spot as far as physically possible from Harry Dresden to very quietly live out the rest of my days.
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If they were in charge, sure. But I don't see them running things. I see them as pawns for the Fomor, indebted to them and having to do what they ask for now. If they survived because of Nemesis/Circle ally and are in debt, they won't have a say in it.
But if they're told to attend the Peace Talks, in order to try and get their claim as the Ramps leaders recognized by the signatories, and that their safety of assured due to Accords rules, the greedy bastards would go.
DonBugen:
I know this is deviating from the current debate of "if the Eebs were still alive, would it matter?", but I wanted to throw a vote out for Gregori Cristos. This would be an excellent time to see if he really is Black Council / Nemfected, or just plain stupid.
kazimmoinuddin:
They might not have a choice, their patron might deliberatly send them after Harry due to their previous experiences. Our hero would definitly get a reaction from them especially if they go after his daughter, I wonder if they were the ones who abductee her in the first place.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 11, 2017, 05:14:45 PM ---We're talking about Winter Knight Harry "I owed Bob so I did his favor before I made new gear to help keep me alive" Dresden. If the two Ramps that personally took the most from him and put him in the corner he was in, to have to accept Mab's deal, suddenly appear in front of him, I'm guessing he's going to feel like the scales need further balancing.
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I don't doubt that if they showed up, Harry would probably want to kill them, but that kinda applies to any Red Court at this point. But honestly, it's going to be more of a, "They survived? How? ... Huh." than, "I MUST DESTROY YOU RAR." Arianna was the one behind them. Or the Red King was. Either way, Harry's dealt with the real cause.
It'd be like Harry getting mad at the gun instead of the person who aimed and fired it.
--- Quote ---If they were in charge, sure. But I don't see them running things. I see them as pawns for the Fomor, indebted to them and having to do what they ask for now. If they survived because of Nemesis/Circle ally and are in debt, they won't have a say in it.
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I honestly don't see why the Fomor would bother. They don't have any of the resources or backing that they used to, they have little to no standing in the Accords, if they're just going to be expendable fodder, why go to the effort?
What do the Fomor have to gain from them that they'd go to the trouble of getting them out of the Erlking's hold? What benefit do the Eebs bring that's worth potentially exposing your mole in the Erlking's army?
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