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Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 12, 2017, 01:08:35 AM ---I don't doubt that if they showed up, Harry would probably want to kill them, but that kinda applies to any Red Court at this point. But honestly, it's going to be more of a, "They survived? How? ... Huh." than, "I MUST DESTROY YOU RAR." Arianna was the one behind them. Or the Red King was. Either way, Harry's dealt with the real cause.
It'd be like Harry getting mad at the gun instead of the person who aimed and fired it.
I honestly don't see why the Fomor would bother. They don't have any of the resources or backing that they used to, they have little to no standing in the Accords, if they're just going to be expendable fodder, why go to the effort?
What do the Fomor have to gain from them that they'd go to the trouble of getting them out of the Erlking's hold? What benefit do the Eebs bring that's worth potentially exposing your mole in the Erlking's army?
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The Ramps can reproduce fast, assuming they can still reproduce. Susan was a physical threat from Night One, and she hadn't even fully turned.
We don't know a lot about the Fomor, but they seem to be interested in having fodder. Hence their use of magically-enhanced servitors.
An individual Ramp is more of a threat than any of the servitors we've seen so far. So why wouldn't they want them?
We're talking about a pantheon that called other broken pantheons to their side, to unite under one banner. The Ramp survivors would fit that perfectly.
Rapid troop build-up with physical attributes better than the Wamps, and the ability to use the latent power of the victim, turning a wizard into a Ramp wizard. Or a minor talent ectomancer into a Ramp ectomancer. Or a werewolf into... a batwolf?
The point is, maybe the Fomor are gathering specials to use as body parts. But maybe they're also sharing some of their kidnap victims with the Ramps, and creating a small army of empowered berserker shock troops that no-one sees coming.
groinkick:
What about members from the White Court? I mean if Lord Raith's demise would destabilize everything it would make sense to see some of them wouldn't it?
wardenferry419:
Is there WOJ that Lord Raith is going to die or is that a rumor/speculation?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 12, 2017, 01:48:17 AM ---The Ramps can reproduce fast, assuming they can still reproduce. Susan was a physical threat from Night One, and she hadn't even fully turned.
We don't know a lot about the Fomor, but they seem to be interested in having fodder. Hence their use of magically-enhanced servitors.
An individual Ramp is more of a threat than any of the servitors we've seen so far. So why wouldn't they want them?
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First, that's a pretty big assumption. I'm having trouble accepting that something that seemed to require ritual involving physical components can happen anyway essentially by accident. The Red Court have always seemed the most "physical" of the vampire courts, and the literal, physical blood seems to have been necessary to elevate Bianca.
As for them being more powerful... eh, I'm not totally sold on that. They have a few crippling and -- most importantly -- well-known weaknesses that let pre-infection Susan take a few of them out.
Truth is we don't know what all their servitors can do. Having minions that don't have glaring weaknesses or an addiction to blood might be worth the trade-off of power.
--- Quote ---We're talking about a pantheon that called other broken pantheons to their side, to unite under one banner. The Ramp survivors would fit that perfectly.
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If there were more than the two most cowardly examples of the species, I'd agree with you more.
Think of it this way, though. Let's say they show up in Peace Talks on official business. Harry knows where they were last seen. He's on speaking terms with the guy who had them. You don't think he's going to ask? You don't think everyone else -- like the White Council contingent -- is going to notice that the Fomor had been allied with a group that had so recently tried to genocide them?
The Fomor or Nemesis would have to show a few of their holding cards to get them out and keep them out. I don't think it's worth it.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 12, 2017, 12:53:57 PM ---First, that's a pretty big assumption. I'm having trouble accepting that something that seemed to require ritual involving physical components can happen anyway essentially by accident. The Red Court have always seemed the most "physical" of the vampire courts, and the literal, physical blood seems to have been necessary to elevate Bianca.
As for them being more powerful... eh, I'm not totally sold on that. They have a few crippling and -- most importantly -- well-known weaknesses that let pre-infection Susan take a few of them out.
Truth is we don't know what all their servitors can do. Having minions that don't have glaring weaknesses or an addiction to blood might be worth the trade-off of power.
If there were more than the two most cowardly examples of the species, I'd agree with you more.
Think of it this way, though. Let's say they show up in Peace Talks on official business. Harry knows where they were last seen. He's on speaking terms with the guy who had them. You don't think he's going to ask? You don't think everyone else -- like the White Council contingent -- is going to notice that the Fomor had been allied with a group that had so recently tried to genocide them?
The Fomor or Nemesis would have to show a few of their holding cards to get them out and keep them out. I don't think it's worth it.
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I mostly agree that the Eebs are dead anyway, but it might be interesting if they show back up with the Fomor as sponsors, which is an angle I didn't consider. What if they're planning to use the peace talks to demand restitution for, you know, genocide? Is there an equivalent of the Geneva Convention and the Hague? If Harry and, by extension, the White Council (and with Winter's support and tacit approval), committed a war crime, there might be an Accords provision that puts him, Mab, and the Merlin in the hot seat. Hell, with Cristos on the Senior Council, things might get real complicated real quick.
Speaking of which, has the full text of the Unseelie Accords been produced? It's one of those things I'd really like to read, considering how often they show up.
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