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Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
forumghost:
If they come back, what was the point in Changes in the first place?
'lol Harry you sold your soul, traumatised several people you care about, killed the mother of your child and screwed over most of the world by shattering the power balance for nothing because the Red Court is back at full power, trolololol'
Even Jim doesn't hate Harry that much.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 09, 2017, 12:37:09 AM ---If they come back, what was the point in Changes in the first place?
'lol Harry you sold your soul, traumatised several people you care about, killed the mother of your child and screwed over most of the world by shattering the power balance for nothing because the Red Court is back at full power, trolololol'
Even Jim doesn't hate Harry that much.
--- End quote ---
I don't think the Ramps, if they do survive the Eebs or anyone else, will ever be what they were. None of the other factions will let that happen. Harry destroyed one of the most powerful courts in the supernatural community.
That's a big deal, even if he didn't exterminate them completely.
As for why should JB bring them back... closure for Harry? It was the Eebs that destroyed Harry's life and forced his hand into accepting Mab's offer. He hated the Ramps, and he has even more reason to hate the Eebs.
Having them show up in Peace Talks in a fashion that doesn't allow Harry (and his impulsive mantle) to enact immediate revenge is a good character plot.
Not to mention the old plot theory that a death causes chaos at the Peace Talks, and Harry having to investigate while he himself is a suspect because one of the Eebs was killed would be an excellent "case" for him to work.
Mr. Death:
He got closure with them when he beat their champions in a duel, saw them being carted off for torture at the hands of goblins, and then wiped out everyone they had ever known.
They were a couple also-ran mooks, like the tennis twins in Grave Peril; they were a speedbump in a larger conflict and he drove over them already. Let them stay buried, I say.
Per the RPG, from Bob:
--- Quote ---Bianca’s promotion
to the nobility was
both a legal one
and a metaphysical
one—that’s why
Duke Ortega was
there: to let her
taste of his blood,
giving her the
power and the
authority to make
new spawn.
--- End quote ---
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 09, 2017, 01:38:56 AM ---He got closure with them when he beat their champions in a duel, saw them being carted off for torture at the hands of goblins, and then wiped out everyone they had ever known.
They were a couple also-ran mooks, like the tennis twins in Grave Peril; they were a speedbump in a larger conflict and he drove over them already. Let them stay buried, I say.
--- End quote ---
You're comparing the Eebs to the Hamilton twins? ???
The Eebs destroyed Harry's office, and all his belongings there. They destroyed the Blue Beetle. They destroyed his apartment, and all of his belongings. They broke his back, forcing him to take up Mab's offer. They put him on the FBI's radar. They used a pawn to cost Murphy her job, thus ruining the life of the woman he loves. It wouldn't surprise me if they were involved in Maggie's capture, which would be a great reveal in a future appearance to stoke Harry's rage.
In comparison, the Hamiltons did what?
To date, the Eebs and Mavra are the only enemies to to successfully attack Harry directly.
--- Quote ---Per the RPG, from Bob:
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That fits with what Vadderung said about the power of the Ramps being diluted. But with all the others dead, the power of the blood went... where? Nowhere? Or to the last of the bloodline? "Metaphysical" is not the same as physical, so the blood itself might not be required to "ascend" to that level within the Court.
Mr. Death:
I'm not talking about their accomplishments, I'm talking about their overall role in the story.
The Hamiltons weren't the important badguys, Bianca was.
The Eebs weren't the important badguys, Arianna was.
Did they get more done then the Hamiltons? Sure. But Harry has dealt with them, directly and on the page, and their narrative role was finished. At this point Harry probably doesn't even remember them specifically.
Who knows where the power of the blood went, if it went anywhere. It could've dissipated into the ether for all anyone knows. But ask yourself this -- if being in the Nevernever was enough to keep the curse targeting them specifically from hitting, then wouldn't it also prevent the power from finding them?
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