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Hierarchy of the Courts
Rasins:
--- Quote ---The courts weigh each other perfectly. winter forces outweight summer forces. The courts themselves were called to battle with each other and non of this unbalanced crap came up with it. The one time the courts were specifically unbalanced it messed with all of reality via toad rain. Winter and summer courts are tied to the weather, the weather isn't in an ice age, ergo the courts are not unbalanced.
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The reason for the unbalance had Nothing to do with the courts themselves. It had to do with missing power. Summer's POWER had been reduced when the power represented by the Summer Knight was hidden (in rock). That was a war over the imbalance of the power, not imbalance in the courts. Remember it was Harry who said/assumed it was an imbalance between the courts, not the power of the Queens.
Had Aurora been successful in transferring the power from Summer to Winter then Tatiana would NOT have been a check to Mab's power. Then there would have been an imbalance between not only the courts, but in the power between the Queens as well.
CON,
I'm not arguing against anything you said there. However, the fact that Mab's COULD overrun Summer's proves that there is no balance between the courts.
Now, Mab cannot do that, due to restrictions on her power. However, should Mab become Nemfected, ALL bets are off. Then she COULD order the forces off the wall and into our Farie or even our reality.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 06, 2017, 04:41:26 PM ---The reason for the unbalance had Nothing to do with the courts themselves. It had to do with missing power. Summer's POWER had been reduced when the power represented by the Summer Knight was hidden (in rock).
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Summer's power? what is summer? a court?
--- Quote ---That was a war over the imbalance of the power, not imbalance in the courts.
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You first try to claim winter can't have troops outside the court and now your claiming summers imbalance was not of the court? That's an oxymoronic statement to your previous statement.
--- Quote ---Remember it was Harry who said/assumed it was an imbalance between the courts, not the power of the Queens.
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If I had it handy.. I guess we'll ignore the fact the whole thing centered around the stone table giving power to the court? And what Mab did to the winter table directly sent the WK mantle(or just it's 'power' as was the only counter argument) through the court proving it to already be a part of the power of court itself?
--- Quote ---Had Aurora been successful in transferring the power from Summer to Winter then Tatiana would NOT have been a check to Mab's power. Then there would have been an imbalance between not only the courts, but in the power between the Queens as well.
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I see no reason why Titania couldn't still pull Mab to Oblivion, but far be it for me to argue against an unrelated theory..
--- Quote ---CON,
I'm not arguing against anything you said there. However, the fact that Mab's COULD overrun Summer's proves that there is no balance between the courts.
Now, Mab cannot do that, due to restrictions on her power. However, should Mab become Nemfected, ALL bets are off. Then she COULD order the forces off the wall and into our Farie or even our reality.
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See now here's the thing, I'm not really sure what a straw man is, but when stuff like this comes up I feel like i'm getting the old 'throw the lackey/something in the crosshairs' routine. Putting up whatever defense seems tactically sound without perspective on the overall strategy to be produced. The argument against here actually misaligns with previous arguments against my position and it's that at that point I feel it devolves into a one-up-man-ship :-/ I don't need that please.
(also why all my theories generally align, less chance of contradicting myself ;) )
*you should know, someone whose genuinely empathetic/intuitive as I appear to be can kinda read between the lines while I'm simply conversing with people across a forum as well... I KNOW I'm annoying. I know forcing someone to confront an alternative idea by logical displacement can cause mental dissonance and aggravation. I can forsee the backlash.. So sorry.
wardenferry419:
Based on what I remember, Mab has two war fronts. The first war front is the outsider wall where say 90% of her soldiers are fighting. The second and lesser front is the border between Winter and Summer where Mab has the remaining 10%. Titania has the near totality of her forces, which are the equal of Mab's 10%, on this border as well. That is the balance of power with the mortal world being a sort of middle ground for power plays of control. That is how I am interpreting the situation.
peregrine:
I don't think that Winter and Summer are currently engaged in a hot war. It's mostly a war of deterrence. Summer has amassed enough of an army to stop Mab from rolling over the world with the remainder of her forces that she can spare from the Wall.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on September 06, 2017, 06:46:18 PM ---Summer's power? what is summer? a court?
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I hope you recognize the difference between Summer court, and the power ... the magic that is summer? The same for winter.
The Court is made up of the members of the court. The people.
The Power is made up of the magic, as represented by Winter's Wellspring (for example).
If you lump them together then there can be much confusion.
--- Quote ---You first try to claim winter can't have troops outside the court and now your claiming summers imbalance was not of the court? That's an oxymoronic statement to your previous statement.
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I never claimed that winters troops were not part of the court. You claimed that those troops at the Outer Gates were not part of the court. I've said from the beginning that they WERE/ARE part of the court, and that is why there is no balance between the courts.
The balance exists between the POWER that each of the Queens can wield, separate from their armies. Because they are separate.
--- Quote --- If I had it handy.. I guess we'll ignore the fact the whole thing centered around the stone table giving power to the court? And what Mab did to the winter table directly sent the WK mantle(or just it's 'power' as was the only counter argument) through the court proving it to already be a part of the power of court itself?I see no reason why Titania couldn't still pull Mab to Oblivion, but far be it for me to argue against an unrelated theory..
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Well, mostly because in Summer Knight, it was the POWER of the summer knight that would have been added to the Power of Winter, not the power of the Winter knight, which, as you say, is already part of Winter's power.
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on September 07, 2017, 12:09:03 AM ---Based on what I remember, Mab has two war fronts. The first war front is the outsider wall where say 90% of her soldiers are fighting. The second and lesser front is the border between Winter and Summer where Mab has the remaining 10%. Titania has the near totality of her forces, which are the equal of Mab's 10%, on this border as well. That is the balance of power with the mortal world being a sort of middle ground for power plays of control. That is how I am interpreting the situation.
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THIS!! From a troops perspective.
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