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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on August 10, 2017, 07:10:34 PM ---Folks, the bottom line is that Jim can't keep Harry happy for long. If he's finally started up a relationship with Murph, then she can't be long for this world.
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Good meta-point.
Also...Harry asked Murphy if she might be interested in a romantic relationship, way back in the series, and refused, and her reasons were by no means trivial or silly. The life-span difference (that just keeps cropping up, and for good reason), her own desire for kids and the fact that she's not getting any younger, etc.
Now it's ten years later, or close enough. If Karrin wants to be a mother herself, her window of time is very rapidly closing. Even if she's given up on that, her comments to Harry in Cold Days remain all too on target. She has a track record of failed relationships, worse than Harry's. Harry doesn't do 'casual' well, as Karrin pointed out, he just about crashed and burned after Susan's departure (though in fairness that would have made most people freak out).
And now probably the 800 pound gorilla, again as Karrin pointed out, is Molly. Harry keeps saying there's nothing there and not going to be...but at this point I think he's mainly fooling himself. It's becoming pretty obvious to the people that know them that Molly is still in love with Harry, and now she's pushing thirty, she's not a little girl or even a starry-eyed teenager anymore. I don't think anybody but Harry is fooled by Harry's denials that there is something mutual there.
It may never come to anything, of course, but it's there...and Molly has a lifespan, interests, powers, and so on that mesh remarkably well with Harry's. Karrin sees that. She'd be foolish to pretend it isn't there.
I can't shake the sense that the time for a Harry/Karrin romance, if there was going to be one, was probably about ten books ago. Harry was personality-wise better suited to Karrin ten years ago than he is now, the time factor was not quite so bad, Harry's life was more on the same scale of action as Karrin's.
Now, I can't shake the sense of watching a car-crash in slow motion.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I can't shake the sense that the time for a Harry/Karrin romance, if there was going to be one, was probably about ten books ago. Harry was personality-wise better suited to Karrin ten years ago than he is now, the time factor was not quite so bad, Harry's life was more on the same scale of action as Karrin's.
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This ^ I believe you've hit on the most important point, and I totally agree. Back in Proven Guilty when Harry asked her and she refused, though he was a wizard and her points for refusal that you went over were valid, it may still have worked for the very fact that Harry was very much an ordinary Joe.. He isn't any longer, Murphy understood the Harry of Proven Guilty, she no longer understands him. Murphy got the power/wizard aspect of Harry, but he still loved Coke and a Burger King, he was just a decent ordinary guy.. Basically he still is that decent guy, but Harry is the Winter Knight, Warden of Demonreach, a Warden of the White Council, a star child, custodian of the Holy Swords and now keeper of relics of vast power, he can never be the Harry she knew before Changes again. Reread those opening chapters of Skin Game, she voices her concern for that ordinary guy, but he doesn't exist anymore, he has priorities now that she cannot understand. He can no longer always be there for either her or his friends, he has other responsibilities now, and a lot is riding on how he handles them.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 11, 2017, 05:12:26 AM --- This ^ I believe you've hit on the most important point, and I totally agree. Back in Proven Guilty when Harry asked her and she refused, though he was a wizard and her points for refusal that you went over were valid, it may still have worked for the very fact that Harry was very much an ordinary Joe.. He isn't any longer, Murphy understood the Harry of Proven Guilty, she no longer understands him. Murphy got the power/wizard aspect of Harry, but he still loved Coke and a Burger King, he was just a decent ordinary guy.. Basically he still is that decent guy, but Harry is the Winter Knight, Warden of Demonreach, a Warden of the White Council, a star child, custodian of the Holy Swords and now keeper of relics of vast power, he can never be the Harry she knew before Changes again. Reread those opening chapters of Skin Game, she voices her concern for that ordinary guy, but he doesn't exist anymore, he has priorities now that she cannot understand. He can no longer always be there for either her or his friends, he has other responsibilities now, and a lot is riding on how he handles them.
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And I think this will be the very root of the Angst that Jim will write for Harry.
I think they'll be together for awhile, but other stuff will get in the way, and eventually Murph will either leave or be taken (like by the Librarians).
Smaug with OCD:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 11, 2017, 05:58:46 PM ---And I think this will be the very root of the Angst that Jim will write for Harry.
I think they'll be together for awhile, but other stuff will get in the way, and eventually Murph will either leave or be taken (like by the Librarians).
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Wasn't there a WoJ about the Librarians thinking all magic is evil with a capital 'E' and as a result, they were partially behind Murph's career crashing and burning because of her friendship with Dresden? I unfortunately don't have the time to look up if my memory is accurate or not(I have a road trip in two hours), so I shall politely invoke the quote gods and request: Could you please find it for me, oh mighty and powerful lords of the obscure quotes? Masters of the arcane confirmations by Jim! Most devoted fans of the Butcher's work! Your humble servant begs your aid, and provides a shameless bribe in the form of internet cookies!
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Rasins:
--- Quote from: Smaug with OCD on August 11, 2017, 06:11:32 PM ---Wasn't there a WoJ about the Librarians thinking all magic is evil with a capital 'E' and as a result, they were partially behind Murph's career crashing and burning because of her friendship with Dresden? I unfortunately don't have the time to look up if my memory is accurate or not(I have a road trip in two hours), so I shall politely invoke the quote gods and request: Could you please find it for me, oh mighty and powerful lords of the obscure quotes? Masters of the arcane confirmations by Jim! Most devoted fans of the Butcher's work! Your humble servant begs your aid, and provides a shameless bribe in the form of internet cookies!
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Smaug,
In this summoning, you do need to name them.
Oh Serack and Schecky, please enlighten us.
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