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Marvra and Kemmler (Deadbeat)
vultur:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 03, 2017, 10:03:55 PM ---Are's and Aphrodite had triplets named, terror, lust and despair. ;) one Greco-Roman connection.
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That's somewhat of a stretch. The children of Ares and Aphrodite are usually Harmonia (Harmony), Phobos (Fear), and Deimos (Terror), or just Phobos and Deimos.
Later on Eros and Anteros (gods of love) can be listed as children of Ares and Aphrodite.
But Eros is love and desire, not merely lust (though that's included), and Phobos/Deimos are more like battlefield fears (panic/rout/terror) than despair.
jonas:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 04, 2017, 05:38:17 AM ---That's somewhat of a stretch. The children of Ares and Aphrodite are usually Harmonia (Harmony), Phobos (Fear), and Deimos (Terror), or just Phobos and Deimos.
Later on Eros and Anteros (gods of love) can be listed as children of Ares and Aphrodite.
But Eros is love and desire, not merely lust (though that's included), and Phobos/Deimos are more like battlefield fears (panic/rout/terror) than despair.
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well,
--- Quote ---In Greek mythology, Eros (/ˈɪərɒs/ or US: /ˈɛrɒs/, /ˈɛroʊs/;[2] Greek: Ἔρως, "Desire")[3] was the Greek god of sexual attraction. His Roman counterpart was Cupid[4] ("desire").
Phobos (Ancient Greek: Φόβος, pronounced [pʰóbos], meaning "fear") is the personification of fear in Greek mythology.
Phobos in Greek literally means fear (Ancient Greek: Φόβος). Spartan soldiers would idolize Phobos, because he symbolized discipline, and consistency of the armed forces.
Deimos[pronunciation?] (Ancient Greek: Δεῖμος, pronounced [dêːmos], meaning "dread"), is the Greek god of terror.
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While none of what you say is inherently untrue,(although I give your Eros proclamation a stink eye on it being in the direction of a pure historical opinion at this pointin space/time)but purely looking at it from aspects of power, not from beliefs around those powers the result is the same there. fear, terror, lust in origin. All lines up.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 04, 2017, 06:44:41 AM ---well,While none of what you say is inherently untrue,(although I give your Eros proclamation a stink eye on it being in the direction of a pure historical opinion at this pointin space/time)but purely looking at it from aspects of power, not from beliefs around those powers the result is the same there. fear, terror, lust in origin. All lines up.
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There's also the roman evolution to consider, much like Hades to pluto.
Cupid was re-imagined somewhat, was a bit more specifically "the god of desire, erotic love, attraction and affection." and often associated with Baccus in roman art. The difference between the Uncontrollable Desire that his arrow's imparted and real Love was the primary theme of the Cupid and Psyche tale, too.
All this to say I love the idea that the Wampires are a greek mythos offshoot race. Greek myths were full of that
Con:
Hmm I've always been of the opinion the Wampire's Hunger is from the Outside. It doesn't fit that they'd be from a Greek offshoot as all the Greek beings or descendants of are part of the Natural Order whether they've turned it Sidhe or a Guardians of Items of Power like Hades.
Plus it fits in with the theme that the Venatores are fighting the Outside and Elder Gods as they have a link to them already, like they're trying to fight their own dual natures.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Con on August 04, 2017, 12:57:45 PM ---Hmm I've always been of the opinion the Wampire's Hunger is from the Outside. It doesn't fit that they'd be from a Greek offshoot as all the Greek beings or descendants of are part of the Natural Order whether they've turned it Sidhe or a Guardians of Items of Power like Hades.
Plus it fits in with the theme that the Venatores are fighting the Outside and Elder Gods as they have a link to them already, like they're trying to fight their own dual natures.
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How are the Wampires not "part of the natural order" where Gorgans and cyclopes and, well, a lot of the Fomor still are?
Personally, I think the Blacks might be the Outsider fueled ones, after this WOJ that said: "Black Court Vamps are a different story. They're actually tainted by something hideous and unworldly." They are driven to kill to survive. They don't really have a lot of choice about it. They enjoy being what they are, and doing what they do. They can be sad that they don't have someone who loves them, or upset that the world has passed them by and has changed on them, but at the end of the day, they're basically black-hearts who occasionally pull out a few of the tattered remains of their humanity, fail to fit back into them like they used to, and get maudlin about their glory days when they could watch the sun rise.
Combine that with the fact that Drakul is "something entirely unhuman that got trapped in human form" and Dracula created the Black Court "in an effort to win his father's approval" Im currently thinking that Drakul is a former Outsider that got trapped/stuck/transformed into a Mortal somehow, and Dracula was trying to tap into Outsider powers somehow (hoping to impress dad) and the accidental result was becoming the first Black Court Vampire.
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