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Con:
I've always imagined their demon side to be something like a bloodline curse like the Loup Garou curse, not a natural part of the world order, but I guess I could be wrong the emotions they feed on and their antithesis are part of the natural order in a lot of animals. or at least mammals.
I could have been confusing Black Court and White Court in my mind now that you mention it.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Con on August 04, 2017, 01:24:14 PM ---I've always imagined their demon side to be something like a bloodline curse like the Loup Garou curse, not a natural part of the world order, but I guess I could be wrong the emotions they feed on and their antithesis are part of the natural order in a lot of animals. or at least mammals.
I could have been confusing Black Court and White Court in my mind now that you mention it.
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What gets me about the White Court and makes me want to say they are more part of Nature than the rest is that they are Born, (can) retain their Soul's, and are "mortal" in the sense of Free Willed beings that could be a Denarian or a Knight or whatever. Of the 3-7 Vampire Courts out there, that's special so far.
jonas:
--- Quote ---All this to say I love the idea that the Wampires are a greek mythos offshoot race. Greek myths were full of that
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Mmm i'm gonna make a complete and total Wag off of that, just to see if i'm right myself :)
In Fight Night (click to show/hide)Thomas ends up Harry's tag team partner Just because if a connection exists, what better place for it to come up?
LordDresden2:
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Combine that with the fact that Drakul is "something entirely unhuman that got trapped in human form" and Dracula created the Black Court "in an effort to win his father's approval"
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Could you direct me to a WoJ on that? That's a new one on me.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on August 05, 2017, 04:26:04 AM ---Could you direct me to a WoJ on that? That's a new one on me.
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Sure thing, Here you go.. It's the second part, but the Black Court portion of the "Are they Evil" part is also informative
--- Quote ---2015 AMA
Are all red courts and black court vampires evil?
This is a pretty huge question and depends a lot on how you view the world.
Red Court vampires, by definition, to become a vampire, have to murder someone else to become what they are. They have to end another person's life to satisfy a desire that does not /need/ to be satisfied in order for them to continue living. Every single one of them makes a choice to sate that desire rather than allow another human being to live--the Fellowship of St. Giles proves that.
(Of course, there are shades of grey involved--a half-vampire who was kept starving and without water in a basement for three days before they were thrown a mortal has a much more difficult time making a clear-headed choice than a half-vampire who was restrained yet cared for by a group of religiously fanatic monks at a Fellowship stronghold, but there's still a choice being made.)
That could, by some people, be considered a working definition of evil. Sometimes unfortunate, sometimes understandable as to how someone could make that choice, but evil nonetheless.
Black Court Vamps are a different story. They're actually tainted by something hideous and unworldly. They are driven to kill to survive. They don't really have a lot of choice about it. They enjoy being what they are, and doing what they do. They can be sad that they don't have someone who loves them, or upset that the world has passed them by and has changed on them, but at the end of the day, they're basically black-hearts who occasionally pull out a few of the tattered remains of their humanity, fail to fit back into them like they used to, and get maudlin about their glory days when they could watch the sun rise.
And also what is Drakul a scion of?
Drakul wasn't a scion of anything! He was something entirely unhuman that got trapped in human form. Dracula was his half-human child, who naturally had enormous paternal issues, and wound up creating himself as the first Black Court Vampire in an effort to win his father's approval.
It didn't work out so well.
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