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Summoning Question
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 26, 2017, 05:09:45 AM ---I'm not sure a free-willed being can be 'summoned', as such. If you could summon a mortal, most mortals would take a long time to get there, given traffic, since most mortals don't have the ability to teleport in.
Also, even if you could summon a mortal, and had his full name, it would only work for a little while before it lost its power, because of free will again.
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An addendum to my quoted post: I'm not sure how that would play out with 'special cases'. For ex, Molly. We're not exactly sure what she is, currently. She's the Winter Lady, but is she also still human? If she's still human, what is the status of her free will?
I think you might could Summon Molly, free will or not, because in her case what you'd be Summoning would not be Molly so much as the Winter Lady Mantle, which carries Molly with it. Likewise, you might in theory be able to summon Harry's mantle and have it carry Harry along.
But...I would also hazard that if Harry and Molly retain mortal free will, they might could fight your summons. If you do your summoning ritual just exactly right, Mab or Titania or the Mothers probably have to come. But Molly I think it might be a contest of will, and even more with Harry, since his mantle is closer yet to mortal and made for mortals.
Serack:
Harry is going to be summoned to the Mirror Mirror universe by his evil doppelganger.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 27, 2017, 03:28:26 AM ---An addendum to my quoted post: I'm not sure how that would play out with 'special cases'. For ex, Molly. We're not exactly sure what she is, currently. She's the Winter Lady, but is she also still human? If she's still human, what is the status of her free will?
I think you might could Summon Molly, free will or not, because in her case what you'd be Summoning would not be Molly so much as the Winter Lady Mantle, which carries Molly with it. Likewise, you might in theory be able to summon Harry's mantle and have it carry Harry along.
But...I would also hazard that if Harry and Molly retain mortal free will, they might could fight your summons. If you do your summoning ritual just exactly right, Mab or Titania or the Mothers probably have to come. But Molly I think it might be a contest of will, and even more with Harry, since his mantle is closer yet to mortal and made for mortals.
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The short answer is that she's not Human anymore, she's now both Fae and a mantled Immortal (cell phones and all). But, and this is apparently key, she did not instantly loose her Soul, which is what grants Free Will. She will "inevitably" loose it, but it's more a progression than a light-switch.
One theory I really liked to explain it was that as an immortal she lost the ability to naturally regenerate her own soul like normal, so she's stuck in an attrition game but can regain soul from loved ones (via hugs and emotional contact, etc).
Regarding summoning, it's described as a sort of imposed OCD on the target. If you are a mortal summoning a Mortal, does that qualify as a violation of the Laws, being an imposed mental compulsion?
khadgar4606:
--- Quote from: Serack on July 27, 2017, 10:12:51 AM ---Harry is going to be summoned to the Mirror Mirror universe by his evil doppelganger.
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Okay you have the name right but the psyche might be diffrent
Serack:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 27, 2017, 12:42:07 PM ---Regarding summoning, it's described as a sort of imposed OCD on the target. If you are a mortal summoning a Mortal, does that qualify as a violation of the Laws, being an imposed mental compulsion?
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This. This is the underlying question I'm concerned with.
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