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Many Questions on Proven Guilty
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 20, 2017, 07:22:46 PM ---Erroneous answer? The next part is Harry realizing he had offered the very same retribution by going there. The only clue we have as to the purpose of the AT attack comes from nic muttering about a 'survival instinct' to which I assume he meant N and it wanting out of it's entrapment with Lea... Mmm so, are the things that Mab has frozen over actually all fragments of N kept under ice?
Anyway, it's more an idea of what reaction did attacking AT evoke from a timeline perspective coupled with the fact she moves from a convo to indirect topic of "others yet to pay". Granted... she Sidhe, so indirect is her bag, but it went from Harry's singular to Mab's plural pretty fast. She said more in that distinction than otherwise would have been said replying directly to Harry's assertion on a singular individual/duo. Which I don' count the now dead Host as in need of repayment. Harry cleared that debt presumably acting in her name :)
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I think there's a good chance Mab has Namshiel's coin on ice now.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 20, 2017, 08:11:28 PM ---I think there's a good chance Mab has Namshiel's coin on ice now.
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I'm hoping she's not that stupid. What happens when an immortal whom isn't supposed to violate free will entraps a being whos job it is is to actively manipulate said free will? idk man, but Him and especially Lasciel Make me think if they can't be heard one way their allowed to let their presence be felt in another. We keep getting from the various sources how the fallen in the coins are supposed to be out and influencing (always manage to find that church patsy to recirculate them, unless it's always been the same guy...). What happens when that perfect balance of 30 vs 3 is disturbed? Rebalance. Hell.. i'm not so sure that's not why Fearbringer found a bit of a foothold.
Not direct topic but related, I always viewed both the fact Michael took on Outsiders in PG and Murphy saying The sword would be vulnerable in CD right before a walker shows, to mean Angels and outsiders both play in the same 'absolute' field of play. So one can hurt the other AND vice versa.
Paviel:
--- Quote ---Of course, now that Molly has developed these powers, it's just perfect that Harry is there to take her on as an apprentice. And, she has definitely attracted the notice of Mab.
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Molly has had the notice of Leanansidhe since Grave Peril, and probably since long before. I'm not sure how well Leanansidhe's plans meshed with Mab's at the time, but they are both of the Winter Court.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on July 24, 2017, 08:47:24 PM ---
Facts
• Lilly and Maeve conspired to lure winter into leaving their borders to allow summer to attack the Red Court
• Maeve slowed time in Winter so that winter armies would not threaten Summer for sufficient time -- such that Summer could attack the Red Court
• The Red Court did a major attack on the White Council during the events in Proven Guilty – including targeting Luccio’s boot camp (ie – really important battle)
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You left one fact out:
* Mab ordered her forces to the border of Summer and she ordered her forces not to attack the Red Court
Why did Mab do that? Did she make a deal not to attack the Reds? She also prevented Summer from attacking the Red Court. Was Mab forced to do this or was she playing some kind of long game, or was it both? Perhaps Mab was prevented from attacking the Reds per agreement so she set up a conditions so the Red Court would eventually be attacked by Summer, but at a time of her choosing. Mab keeps her deal and prevents Summer from attacking prematurely.
About Maeve and Lily. Maeve was working to gain Lily's trust so she could eventually set up the destruction of both Summer and Winter. This is fairly well established by events in Cold Days. I've been thinking about this a lot. Perhaps Maeve's plan worked better than she hoped it would. I'm thinking that Maeve didn't expect Harry to survive his encounter with Eldest Fetch at Arctis Tor. Remember Harry only triumphed because Lily gave Harry access to Summer Fire. She didn't tell Fix she did so, remember his surprise when Harry described events at Mab's stronghold. There is no reason to believe Lily would have shared her plan with Maeve, but even if she did, Maeve didn't think very highly of Lily, she may have thought the plan wasn't likely to succeed. Maeve would have still gained Lily's trust and rid herself of the annoying wizard at the same time. Instead Maeve was forced to carry out the plan to it's final conclusion. If she hadn't slowed time at Arctis Tor any hope Maeve had of subverting Lily would have gone out the window.
My final point is about the attack on Luccio's boot camp. We have no indication it was carried out by the Red Court. This could have been a Black Council operation done for motives all its own. My bet is that Cowl was behind it.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 20, 2017, 08:11:28 PM ---I think there's a good chance Mab has Namshiel's coin on ice now.
--- Quote ---I'm hoping she's not that stupid.
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...Dammit Mab. She's been known to do that for the right reasons despite potential consequences, when she hung Slate up to cool off.
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